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HomeMy WebLinkAbout03/12/1981CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Minutes of the meeting of the City Council of Apple Valley, Dakota County, Minnesota held March 12, 1981, at 8:00 o'clock p.m. at the City Hall. PRESENT: Mayor Garrison; Councilmembers Branning, Kelly (attended at 8:35 p.m.), Overgard, and Savanick; Clerk Asleson. ABSENT: None. Mayor Garrison called the meeting to order at 8:00 p.m. The Councilmembers and everyone in attendance took part in the pledge of allegiance to the flag. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving the agenda for to- night's meeting as amended. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. APPROVE AGENDA MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, removing the annual review of David Schilling to the regular agenda, adding referral of a pawn shop ordinance to the consent agenda and approving all items on the nonsent agenda. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. CONSENT AGENDA DIAMOND PATH 9TH PLAT, AGRMT. & BLDG. PERMITS PAWN SHOP ORDINANCE 4TH OF JULY COM. MAILING & LEGAL ASSISTANCE RES. 1981-38 ASSESSMENT DIVISIONS PRELIM. REPORT 153RD STREET RES. 1981-39 CITY CODE SALE PRICE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving the final plat, sub- division agreement and building permits for 60 townhouses in Diamond Path 9th Addition as reconmended by the Planning Commis- sion and authorizing the Mayor and Clerk to sign the documents. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, directing the Urban Affairs Committee to research the feasibility of and prepare a draft of an ordinance regulating the licensing and operation of pawn shops. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, authorizing the City Attorney to review contracts and documents for the 4th of July Committee and authorizing mailing an insert with utility bills requesting donations by the 4th of July Committee. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, adopting Resolution No. 1981- 38 dividing special assessments in Apple Valley Square, Kerry Addition, Apple Valley Industrial Park 2nd Addition, Bor-Nel Ad- dition and Valley South 2nd Addition. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, receiving a request dated Feb- ruary 25, 1981, from Craig J. Minea for construction of 153rd Street between Pennock and Cedar and authorizing the Engineer to prepare a preliminary feasibility report on it. Ayes - 4 - Nays MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, adopting Resolution No. 1981- 39 establishing the sale price for the City's Code of Ordinances at $50.00 per copy and supplemental service at $.50 per page with a minimum charge of $5.00 per supplement. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Page 2 MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving a 1981 transient merchant license for World Book-Childcraft International to sell door-to-door. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. WORLD BOOK TRANS. MERC. LIC. EZC NUMBERING TRANS. MERC. LIC. FISCAL DISPARI- ITIES LAW DEEP WELL NO. 1 REPAIRS PROJ. 76-13(2) FINAL PAYMENT MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving a 1981 transient merchant license for EZC Numbering Service to paint house num- bers on curbs. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard receiving Burnsville's re- solution requesting repeal of the fiscal disparities law and tabling it until there is more information on its effect on Apple Valley, Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, authorizing the expenditure of up to $10,000 for repairs to Deep Well No. 1 to be an ad- dendum to Project 80-15(3). Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, accepting Project 76-13(2), Longridge 2nd Utilities, from Richard Knutson, Inc., and au- thorizing final payment on the project in the amount of $5,000. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving a 1981 refuse co- 1981 LICENSE lection license for Forunier Rubbish Removal and a 1981 filling & PERMIT station permit for J.A.V.S. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, adopting Resolution No. RES. 198~-40 1981-40 awarding the contract for supplying water meters for AWARD WATER a three year period ending March 1, 1984, to Badger Meter Com- METER CONTRACT pany, the iow bidder, at $41.28 per 5/8-inch meter. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving hiring Sylvia Dob- HIRE COMMITTE rovolny for the position of Commission and Committee Secretary SECRETARY effective March 17, 1981, at the salary previously established for this position. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving hiring Patrick Lubeley and salary adjustments for Swinging Program parttime employees as listed in the memo from Mike Bassett dated March 6, 1981. Ayes - 5 - Nays - O. PARTTIME EMPLOYEES HIRE ELIASON CASHIER-RECPT. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving hiring Kathryn Eliason for theposition of Cashier-Receiptionist effective March 16, 1981, at the salary established in the 1981 Personnel plan. Ayes - 4 ~ Nays - O. END OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS Mayor Garrison called the public hearing to order at 8:04 p.m. on a street lighting system in the South Apple Valley area and noted receipt of the affidavit of publi- cation of the hearing notice. John Gretz reviewed a map showing the locations of the 135 lights proposed. The lights will be 100 watt high pressure sodium installed on CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Page 3 12-foot high laminated wood standards. He reviewed the cost estimates which break down to $6.33 per quarter, per lot, added to the utility bill for the first 10 years, or $25.32 per year per lot. Ed Brunkhorst, of Dakota Electric, was present and said future energy costs cannot be estimated accurately, but in its current request for a rate increase, a decrease in the rate for sodium lights is being recommended. Mayor Garrison called for questions and comments from the public. (See detail of questions and answers attached. Councilmember Kelly attended during this time.) After everyone had been given an opportunity to comment, the hearing was closed at 8:55 p.m. Councilmember Branning said he lives in the North Apple Valley area where street lights were recently installed. He checked into the costs when lights were discussed and be- lieves the cost is reasonable. He said the locations of the lights seem to provide sufficient lighting, but there seems to be a problem with some of the light sensors; some of the lights do not always work. Mr. Brunkhorst said this has been a problem and that is why they are proposing different fixtures for the South Apple Valley area. Stan Larson asked why one sensor couldn't be used for the entire system to reduce costs? Mr. Brunkhorst explained that each light is wired individually and the lights are not interconnected so each light requires its own photo-sensor. Councilmember Savanick asked how the cost could be prepaid if homeowners wished to do so? Deputy Clerk Mueller said the cost is based on the rate the City will pay to Dakota Electric for the 10-year term of the contract and no amount for prepayments has been computed. Councilmember Savanick asked Mr. Brunkhorst to explain the costs further. He said the fixture costs approximately $300, installation is $300 to $350 per fixture and the bal- ance is for maintenance, interest and overhead for a total of about $1,000 per light. He also said this is an estimated maximum and the homeowners' charges will be based on the actual cost. Councilmember Savanick said she is concerned about the rate proposed to be charged to the townhouses, but this cannot be resolved tonight. She agrees the gasline easement needs more light and County Road 42 needs better lighting. Since lights are located only at intersections, the lighting along County Road 42 is not adequate. Councilmember Kelly also mentioned that Galaxie Avenue does not have adequate lighting. Councilmember Overgard said she would like the Council to consider charging the light installation costs to the property owners, if street lights are installed throughout the City, and the City paying the energy costs because the lights will be a general benefit to everyone in the City. Mayor Garrison said Keith Sterling, and any other interested residents, should meet with Mr. Gretz and Mr. Brunkhorst to review the light locations and costs. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving the intent to order the street lighting project in the South Apple Valley area sub- ject to receiving revised cost estimates. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. SOUTH APPLE VALLEY LIGHTS FEB. 12, 1981 MINUTES MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Branning, approving the minutes of the meeting of February 12, 1981, as written. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Page 4 MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, approving the minutes of the meeting of February 26, 1981, as written. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0 (Garrison Abstained). FEB. 26, 1981 MINUTES MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Savanick, adopting Resolution No. 1981- 41 receiving preliminary reports dated March 2, 1981 on street lighting in four areas of the City and setting a public hearing on them on April 30, 1981, at 8:00 p.m. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. RES. 1981-41 STREET LIGHT HEARING The Council received amemo dated March 6, 1981 from Michael Bassett on the Naming of City Parks which also included recommendations by the Historical and Park Committees. Councilmember Overgard suggested considering all of the recommendations at a special meeting. Mr. Bassett said, after names have been approved, the Park Department will be making signs to be placed in each of the parks. Bob Naegeli, of the Park Committee, said those names on which both Committees agree or recommend no change could be approved now so signs can be prepared. Councilmember Overgard said all the names should be reviewed regardless of the recommendation and she would also like to consider better criteria for determing the names. MOTION: of Kelly, seconded by Overgard, tabling consideration of park SET MEETING names and setting a special meeting to consider the recommend- ON PARK NAMES ations on April 30, 1981, after the 8:00 p.m. public hearing. Ayes - 5 - Nays - O. Peter Sorenson, of the Dakota County Highway Department, was present to discuss his report, dated February 9, 1981, on the traffic studies on 140th Street at Garden View Drive and Pilot Knob Road. Councilmember Overgard questioned the recommendation against installing four-way stop signs at 140th and Pilot Knob at this time. Mr. Sorenson said the studies show traffic counts are not high enough to warrant the signs and the accident rate is lower than at the other 140th Street intersections. He also said when County Road 42 construction begins and 140th Street is used as a detour, stop signs will be installed, because it is expected traffic will increase. The Council discussed the possibility of erecting four-way stop sighs at the inter- section of 140th Street and Pilot Knob Road shortly before construction begins or during the summer before school begins if construction is delayed, to allow traffic to adjust to the changes. No action was taken. Ross Feffercorn, of Omni Shelter, Inc., was present and showed a model of the four- plexes proposed to be built in Carrollwood Village 5th Addition. MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Branning, approving building permits for seven fourplexes on Lots 13 through 16 and 29 through 52 of Block 1, Carrollwood Village 5th Addition, a 1.5-foot setback variance from Pennock Avenue for Lots 51 and 52, a two-foot set- back variance from Pennock Avenue for Lots 13 and 14, and sub- ject to a shared driveway being constructed to serve Lots 15, 16 and 17, as recommended by the Planning Commission. Ayes - 5 - Nays ~ 0. CARROLLWOOD 5TH BLDG. PERMITS AND VARIANCES KINDER-CARE REZONING MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Savaniek, approving in concept the re- zoning of the .57 acre site for a Kinder-Care Learning Center on Essex Avenue from M-1 P.D. to B-1 as recommended by the Planning Commission. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota Mmrch 12, 1981 Page 5 MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Savanick, approving the preliminary plat, conditional use permit and building permit for a Kinder-Care Learning Center on Essex Avenue subject to a subdivision agreement between the property owner and the City. KINDER-CARE PRELIMINARY PLAT & PERMITS The Council discussed the Planning Commission's recommendation as to roof color and Councilmember Savanick asked whether a requirement as to color could legally be made by the Council? Mr. Sheldon explained that with conditional use permits, more restrictive requirements can be established for approval, but the Council would have to have reasons for making those requirements. Vote as taken on the motion. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 1 (Overgard). MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Kelly, adopting Resolution No. 1981-42 setting a public hearing at 8:00 p.m. on April 9, 1981, on the proposal of Richard J. Nordlund for a Kinder-Care Learning Center project to be financed by $325,000 of industrial development re- venue bonds. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. RES. 1981-42 I. R. B. HEARING KINDER-CARE The Council received a memo, dated March 3, 1981, from John Gretz on the revised prelim- inary plat of the Morningview subdivision. On January 22, 1981, the Council approved a maximum of 710 units or a density of five units per acre for the development. After the changes requested by the Council were made, the developer's plan shows 714 units or 5.02 units per acre. Councilmember Branning asked if the revised plat had been revi'ewed by the Planning Commission? Mr. Gretz said no, the Planning Commission had recommended approval of 790 units, but it could be referred to the Planning Commission if the Council desires. Councilmember Branning asked if the condominium sites and ponding areas are being re- quested for approval also? Mr. Gretz said the condominium sites will be platted as outl0ts and the buildings and ponding areas, sketched on the preliminary plat, are shown in con- cept only to show the lots could accommodate both. Another public hearing would be re- quired for replatting the condominium sites before the buildings would be approved. MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Branning, approving the revised prelim- MORNINGVIEW inary plat of the Morningview subdivision proposed by Graham Devel- PRELIM. PLAT opment with a maximu of 714 units. Councilmember Savanick asked if all of the single family lots were buildable? Mr. Gretz said yes. Debbie Poire asked who would be notified of the public hearing when the outlots are replatted? Mr. Gretz said property owners within 350 feet of the outtots would receive mailed notices. Ms. Poire commented on the Planning Commission's recommendation on den- sity of the condominiumlsites and said if 4.1 acres for ponding area are deducted from the total, the density would actually be 5.17 units per acre. She asked if the Council would consider this when the outlots come back for hearing. Mayor Garrison sRid they will make sure adequate ponding is available. Keith Gordon also said when ponding area is referred to, it does not mean the entire area will be covered by water. The ponding area is also designed to provide water storage area for occasional flooding and most of the time it will probably be green space. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Page 6 Ms. Poire commented on her concerns about traffic problems caused by the density. Mary Biever also said she is concerned about potential traffic problems for future residents of the area who may not be aware of what they are getting into. She also commented on 157th Street traffic and read a statement, dated March 12, 1981, further expressing her Vote was taken on the motion. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Kelly, authorizing the payment of $9,000.00, which represents the cost of relocating a driveway on Michael McNamara's property in connection with Cedar Avenue construction, subject to receipt of the access restriction, T.H. #77 (Cedar Avenue) right-of-way and Pennock Avenue right- of-way from Mr. McNamara. Ayes - 5 ~, Nays - 0. CEDAR SERVICE DRIVE McNAMARA SETTLEMENT The Council received the report of the Urban Affairs Committee, dated January 16, 1981, concerning a proposed noise ordinance. Mr. Sheldon said he has not yet completed a legal review of the proposed ordinance. The Council agreed to table this item until the March 26, 1981 meeting. Mr. Asleson reviewed revised cost estimates for construction of County Road 42 from Pennock to Rosemount. He said some of the increase is due to expanding the original project to include the area between Cedar and Pennock and three signals instead of one. Because of the cost increases, another public hearing for special assessment purposes will be required. Some of the property abutting County Road 42 has not yet been appraised and this information will be needed for the hearing. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Overgard, authorizing Stassen Apprais- als. to prepare appraisals of property abutting County Road 42 between Pennock and Rosemount, which has not previously been ap- praised, for special assessment purposes. COUNTY ROAD 42 APPRAISALS Councilmember Branning asked how property in platted areas will be handled? Mr. Asleson said it is proposed to include the area one lot deep along the road. Council- member 8avanick asked how much the appraisals will cost? Mr. Gretz said approximately $300 per parcel and about 10 more appraisals are needed. Vote was taken on the motion. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. The Council discussed changing Council meeting days and the conflicts each of the members has on certain days. Councilmember Branning said, if possible, he would like to change the meetings to other than the second and fourth Thursdays after June 1st because he has a conflict on those nights. Councilmember Kelly said she would not be able to consider a change now, but possibly it could be discussed this summer. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Savanick, changing regular Council meet- ings to the first and third Thursdays of each month beginning in June of 1981. Ayes - 2 - Nays - 3 (Garrison, Kelly and Over- gard). Motion Failed. COUNCIL MEETING DATES RES. 1981-43 ECON. DEV. COM. APPOINTMENT MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Branning, adopting Resolution No. 1981- 43 appointing Ed White to the Economic Development Commission for a term expiring in January of 1983. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Page 7 MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Savanick, appointing Pamela Sohlberg to the Urban Affaris Connnittee for a term expiring March 1, 1983. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. URBAN AFFAIRS APPOINTMENT MOTION: of Kelly, seconded by Savanick, appointing Terry Langager to the PARK COMMITTEE Park Committee for a term expiring March 1, 1983. Ayes - 5 ~ APPOINTMENT Nays - 0. The Council discussed salary increase recommended for David Schilling in Mr~ A~leson's memo dated March 9, 1981. Mr. Asleson said the Council's approval of the 1981 Person- nel Plan included 10 percent adjustments for certain Schedule II employees effective on their anniversary dates. If different adjustments are recommended at the time of the reviews, specific Council approval is required. A 15 percent adjustment is re- commended for Mr. Schilling, based on his performance. Bonnie Shea, Liquor Manager, was present and said Mr. Schilling is the Wine Coordinator for both stores and also performs some of the duties of Store Supervisor at Store No. 2. MOTION: of Savanick, seconded by Branning, approving a 15 percent salary SCHILLING increase for David Schilling, effective March 17, 1981. Ayes - SALARY INCREASE 5 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Savanick, seconded by Overgard, approving hiring Ronald Walker HIRE WALKER for the position of Parkkeeper I effective March 16, 1981 at the PARKKEEPER I starting salary established in the 1981 personnel plan. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Savanick, adopting Resolution No. 1981- RES. 1981-44 44 awarding the contract for Project 80-15(3), Deep Well No. 9 PROJ. 80-15(3) Pumphouse and Pump and Deep Well No. 1 repairs, to A & K Construc- CONTR. AWARD tion, Inc., the low bidder, in the amount of $132,967.00. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Savanick, to pay the claims and bills, checks numbered 21518 through 21604, 21664 through 21699 and 21704 through 21783, in the total amount of $205,859.38. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. CLAIMS & BILLS MOTION: of Overgard, seconded by Savanick, to adjourn. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. The meeting was adjourned at 11:35 o'clock p.m. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Detail of Questions and Answers on South Apple Valley Street Light Public Hearing Richard Tuthill, 781 Newell Drive, asked if interest is calculated into the cost? Mr. Brunkhorst said yes, the interest rate is the same as is charged to Dakota Electric and is a blended rate, currently 7.33 percent. Keith Sterling, 819 McIntosh Drive, asked if the total cost of the lights, approximately $1,000 per light, isn't too high? Mr. Brunkhorst said the cost includes the light it- self, installation and maintenance. Mr. Sterling also stated that when gas lights were originally installed they were to serve as street lights, but have since been pro- hibited. What guarantee is there that the same will not happen to electric lights? Karen Mott, 958 Redwood Drive, asked if a study has been done to determine which type of light gives off more light, white or yellow? Mr. Brunkhorst said the sodium lights, which are a kellow color, do give off more light and are less expensive to operate, but it is a softer light. Ms. Mott said she is in favor of the lights no matter what they cost. Doug Groen, 913 Cortland Drive, asked if any statistics on reduction of vandalism, etc., are available on areas where street lights have been installed, such as North Apple Valley? Mayor Garrison said since the lights have only been operating for a few months, no statistics have been developed. The Police Department does have information on national statistics which show lower crime rates and vandalism in areas with street lights. Robert Gartner, 892 Gelding Lane, asked if the location of the lights will provide lighting over the entire area? Mr. Brunkhorst said the lights are not proposed to provide overlapping lighting and there will be dark spots between lights, but should provide enough light. Mr. Gartner said he would like enough light to be able to see pedestrians. Anthony Nelson, 891 Redwood Drive, commented on different types of light fixtures, as he had at a previous hearing. He reviewed information on light meter readings he had taken on both style lights and the lights with a fixture directing the light downward provide more light. He also said fixtures with white glass panels on the street and house sides of the fixture reduce light efficiency. Mr. Brunkhorst said the downward style fixture is usually mounted much higher than 12 to 14 feet above the ground and if they are mounted that low, they must be installed closer together because the light does not spread out that far. Mr. Nelson said the proposed lights are listed as ornamental and he would like to see the most efficient lights used. He is not for or against street lights. Keith Sterling asked if the energy rate for street lights is the same the City pays for its other energy uses? Mr. Brunkhorst said there is a separate energy rate for street lights. Gerald Schulz, 7593 Whitney Drive, representing Townhouse 4th Addition, said they believe the rate proposed to be charged to them is unfair because the homeowners association has already installed 10 lights, at its own expense, some of which also light Pennock and Whitney. Mr. Gretz said it was recognized that some adjustment will have to be made for the townhouse area and he will be developing something on it. He said he would contact Mr. Schulz with the information. Robert Gartner asked how the lights are turned on and off? Mr. Brunkhorst said there is a photo-cell on each light. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota March 12, 1981 Detail of Questions and Answers Page 2 Karen Mott asked if a cost comparison was done on locating the lights closer to- gether and using more lights, such as one for every three houses? Mr. Brunkhorst said no, but it would be approximately 25 percent more. Ms. Mott said she would be willing to pay more for more lights. (Councilmember Kelly attended at this time.) Bob Naegeli, 836 McIntosh Drive, asked how the spacing of the lights was decided? Mr. Gretz said 6ne light was located at each intersection, at the end of each cul de sac and approximately 400 feet apart in other areas. Mr. Brunkhorst said in some places, the lights are closer together because the distance between two inter- sections might have been 500 feet and another light was added between the two intersections. Paul Coufal, 886 Redwood Drive, asked if the decision has been made to have street lighting in South Apple Valley? Mayor Garrison said no, but it could be made after the public hearing. Mr. Coufal said he is not for or against street lights, but he would like everyone to consider that street lights light the street and most breakins and vandalism occur in the backs of houses where there is no lighting. He asked if the reason for the light installation is as a crime deterrent? Mayor Garrison said that is only one of the reasons. Stan Larson, 819 Whitney Drive, said he is opposed to the lights, but if they are going to be installed, the gasline easement should also be lit. Only two lights are shown along the easement and a lot of people use it. Debbie Poire, 776 Whitney Drive, asked if consideration had been given to electri- fying the gas lights which most homes already have? Keith Sterling said he is in favor of the lights, but asked the Council to look into what the normal commercial rate for energy would be and if there isn't some less expensive way to install them. Paul Coufal asked how they will know if the lights are approved? Mmyor Garrison said the Council will try to let them know tonight. Bob Naegeli questioned whether changing the location of some lights or adding some more could be done before it is approved. Mr. Brunkhorst said he would be willing to meet with the residents to discuss changes and suggestions. Mayor Garrison asked Mr. Sterling to meet with Mr. Brunkhorst and Mr. Gretz. Gerald Schulz commented on the proposed costs and said everyone is paying a share of all of the lights and not just those lights which are adjacent to their property, is that correct? He was answered yes. It was also noted that written correspondence was received from: Donna Large 840 Greening Drive, in favor of the lights. Norman Reuterdahl, 797 Newell Drive, in favor of the lights. Erling Vinje, 1074 Lowell Drive, opposed to the lights.