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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06/06/1977CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Minutes of the meeting of the City Council of Apple Valley, Dakota County, Minnesota, held June 6th, 1977, at 7:~0 o'clock p'.m. PRESENT: Mayor Branning; Councilmembers Fitzsimmons, Hayes (attended until 10:50 p.m.), Holton (attended at 9:49 p.m.) and Savanick; Clerk Asleson. ABSENT: None. Mayor Branning called themeeting to order at 7:00 p.m. in attendance took part in the pledge of allegiance to the flag. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Fitzsimmons, approving the agenda for tonight's meeting as emended. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Fitzsiaunons, approvlngthe minutes of the meeting of May 26th, 1977 as written. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. The Councilmembers and everyone APPROVE AGENDA MAY 26 1977 MINUTES MOTION: of Fitzsimmons, seconded byHayes, reconfirming prior prelim- ACADEMY VILLAGE inary approVal of commercial revenue bond financing for COMML REVENUE Academy Village with the understanding the City's fiscal FINANCING consultant, Juran & Moody, Inc., will be working out the final financial details of thebond's. Roger Wing, s and Steve Mattson of Juran & Moody, Inc. were present and reviewed the municipal bond financing concepts and procedures. Academy Village is asking for a total of $8,000,000 in financing and intend to get approval of the first 14 four-plexes this year. The financing would be for the entire development of four-plexes, eight-plexes and apartments. As each request for financing comes in for each building, the Council would have t0 adopt a final resolution on that building. The Mayor said, after review- ing more information on this concept he agrees it should be tried. Vote was taken on the motion. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 1 (Savanick). Steve Mattson reviewed a proposal for issuing advance refunding bonds which had originally been proposed in September 1976. Before the City could issue the bonds at that time, the FederalGoverement changed'regulationspertaining .to thistype off,bonding and those new regulations had to be reviewed by financial agencies, before bonds could be sold. It is proposed to include eight bond issues in the advance refunding procedure for a total of $5,645,000. Mr. Al Vagstad of First National Bank of St. Paul was present and explained the procedure of using the new bond issue to pay off existing bond issues via government securities and the Process of escrowing the funds. The net result is a savings in interest to the, City. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded byFitzsimmons, adopting Resolution NO. 1977- 97 authorizing the sale of $5,645,000 Advance Refunding Bonds for Wednesday,.June 29th, 1977, at 6:45 p.m.; bids will be received by the City Clerk at ll:00 a.m, on June 29th 1977, and opened at that time; and setting a special Council meeting for June 29th 1977; at 6:45p.m. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION:· .of Hayes, seconded by Fitzsimmons, approving a Development THE HIGHLANDS Agreement for te Highlands, located northwest of Garden View~ DEV. AGREEMENT Drive and Co. Rd. 38, and authorizing the Mayor and Clerk to execute it and the final plat. Ayes -4- Nays - 0. RES. 1977-97 ADV.REP.BONDS & SPEC. MEETING CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 2 MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Savaniek, approving the preliminary A.V. SQUARE 3RD and final plats of Apple Valley Square Third Addition as reeom- FINAL PLAT mended by the Planning Commission, at the southwest corner of Cedar Avenue and County Road 42, and authorizing the Mayor and City Clerk to execute the final plat. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Branning, granting a variance for a VARIANCE BLDG. building setback 40 feet from County Road 42 in Apple Valley SETBACK AV Square Third Addition as recommended by the Planning Commission SQUARE 3RD subject to the 40 feet along the north side of the lot remain- ing landscaped and not used for parking in the future. Ayes - 5 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Savaniek, seconded by Hayes, approving a building permit BLDG. PERMIT for Perkins Restaurant on Lot t of Block 1 of Apple Valley PERKINS REST. Square Third Addition as recommended by the Planning Commission. The Council discussed the location of the pylon sign and the flag pole. The restaurant will not have a building sign, only the pylon sign. The owner of the proposed building, who was present, asked the Council to consider the sign now, but not the flag pole. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Savanick, amending the above motion by inclUding a variance for a pylon sign to be located 100 feet from Cedar Avenue and 30' feet from County Road 42 as recommended by the Planning Commission, but not a flag pole. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. Vote was taken on the above motion as amended. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Hayas, seconded by Branning; deferring discussion on the - PERKINS FLAG location of a flag pole for Perkins Restaurant and consider it in relation to the new sign ordinance. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. Project 76-19, Garden View Drive widening, sidewalks on Garden View Drive north of Westview, and Utility, street and sidewalk improvements in Academy Village. The Mayor called the public hearing to order at 8:19 p.m. and noted the affadavit of publication. Robert Rosene showed the locations of the proposed improvements on the map and explained the formula for computing the estimated assessments for sidewalks. The Mayor called for questions and comments from Couneilmembers and Staff. Mr. Asleson said he had received calls from residents in the Palomino Lakeshore Addition asking why they should pay for a sidewalk on Garden View Drive. He reviewed alternatives of assessing it using the asses- ment district concept,assessing the total cost only to abutting propertyowners Or not installing the improvement at all. The Mayor called for questions and comments from the audience. (See detail of questions and answers attached.) After everyone present had been given an opportunity to be heard, the Mayor declared the hearing closed at 9:10 p.m. Consideration of ordering Project 76-19 was tabled until June 23rd, 1977. Project 77-2, Utility and Street Improvements for Palomino Hills Seventh Addition, Heritage Hills Third Addition, Hidden Ponds Addition and Nordic Woods Second Addition. The Mayor called the public hearing to order at 9:18 p;m. and noted the affadavit of publication. Robert Rosene showed thelocations of the four developments on the map and gave the estimated costs of the sewer, water, storm sewer and street improvements, all of which will be paid by the developments. The Mayor called for any questions or comments from the Councitmembers, Staff and audience. Mr. Vincent Storland, of CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 3 Nordic Properties, asked for a Copy of the Engineer's preliminary report and was given one. Mr. Asleson said the portion of trunk storm sewer to be installed in Hidden Ponds Addition must be installed before the street is paved. The cost will be paid by the City's trunk storm sewer fund, because it drains the property to the.southeast of this addition to the pond in the addition, and be assessed back to this adjacent.property when it. develops. After everyone present had been given an opportunity to be heard, the Mayor declared the hearing closed at 9:26 p.m. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Savanick, adopting Resolution No. 1977-98 ordering Project 77-2, Utilities and Street Improvements for Palomino Hills Seventh, Heritage Hills Third, Hidden Ponds and Nordic Woods Second Additions Ayes - 4 , Nays 0. Project 77-4, Essex Avenue Street Improvements, The Mayor called the public hearing to order at 9:27 p.m. and noted the affidavit of publication. Robert Rosene showed the location of the Small section of Essex Avenue, east of Pilot Knob Road, to be improved, on. the map. The cost estimate is $19.90 per front fooT. The Mayor called for questions and comments from the Councilmembers, Staff and audience. Mr. Asleson said the City will be paying for a portion of the street because its liquor store abuts the street. In order for the City to pay this cost, it must gQ through the bidding process and that is the reason for this small project. The City Attorney has been negotiating for a street easement with. the property owner on the south side of Essex Avenue but has notyet received it. Jim Sheldon said he suggests the City also pUrchase the property for the easement on the north side of the street, if it must purchase the property on the south side, and assess the entire cost of.the easement to both properties. Cal Merriman asked when the project would be done, because some curb cuts will have to be made. Mr. Asleson said since this is such a small project, he suggests doing all of it now and making any curb cuts later. Thompson Construction will be constructing the balancleof the street in July and this should coincide with that. The Council received a letterfromMr. Merriman requesting delaying sidewalk installation. After everyone present had been given an opportunity to be heard, the Mayor declared the hearing closed at 9:36 p.m. MOTION: Of Hayes, seconded by Savanick, adopting .Resolution No. 1977-99 ordering Project 77-4, Essex Avenue Street and Sidewalk Improve- ments and authorizing paying $800 for a street easement to the property owner on the south side for .43 acre and paying a pro rata share to the property owner on the north side for a street easement, as recommended by the City Attorney. Ayes - 4 - Nays 0. RES. 1977-98 ORDER PROJECT 77-2 RES. 1977-99 ORDER PROJECT 77-4' Project 77-1, Hayes Road Street Improuements, north of County Road 42, and Street and incidental drainage improvements in the Woods Addition. The Mayor called the public hearing to order at 9:30 p.m. and noted the affidavit of publication. Robert Rosene showed the locations of the 'proposed improvementson the map. The proposed improve- ments in the Woods and Woods. Second Addition are Street surfacing and storm sewer to help solve some of the-drainage problems there. The Mayor called for questions and comments from the CoUncilmembers, Staff and audience. (See detail of questions and answers attached.) Couneilmember Holton attended at 9:49 p.m. MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Branning, extending tonight's meeting beyond the 10:30 p.m. adJourAment time. Ayes - 2 - Nays , 0 (Fitzsimmons Hayes and Savanick Abstained.) Motion Failed. EXTEND MEETING CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 4 MOTION: 0f Fitzsimmons, NO SECOND to continue tonight's meeting until 11:30 p.m. Motion Failed. Robert Rosene described the proposed Street improvements for Hayes Road, which included completing the east haIf of Hayes Road; an overlay over the entire Street Surface, side- walks and some st0rm Sewer; The 0nly assessment prosed for the property owners on the west side of Hayes Road is sidewalk, by the special assessment district process. The street improvements for the east side of Hayes Road are proposed to be assessed to the abutting property. The Mayor called for questions and comments from the Councilmembers, Staff and audience. (See detail of questions and answers attachedl) Councilmember Hayes left at 10:50 p.m. After everyone Present had been given an Opportunity to comment on both portions of the public hearing, the Mayor declared the hearing closed at 11:20 p.m. consideration of ordering Project 77-1 and directing the preparation ofplans and spec- ifications for it were tabled. Councilmember Fitzsimmons said the ParkC0mmittee did not know if it could have a quorum for a joint meeting with the Councii on june 29th and would like to meet with the Council on June 22nd. The Mayor said they would probablyneed another meeting With the Park Committee after June 29th and they Could hold the June 29th MeetingWith those present. The Council discussed traffic problems at the intersection of Pilot Knob Road and County Road 42 and the accidents that occurred there. Mr. Asleson said the County has installed oversized stop signs already. The Mayor said he would like the County to considerin- stalling a flashing light at the intersection. Councilmember Holton suggested maybe this intersection should have four-way stop signs. Staff was asked to discuss these things with Dakota county. MOTION of Holton, seconded by Fitzsimmons, to pay the Claims and CLAIMS & BILLS bills, checks 'numbered 3834 through 3836 and 4980 through 5041, in the amount of $26,351.78. Ayes - 4 - Nays - 0. The meeting was temporarily adjourned at 11:34 p.m. and the Mayor declared a continuation of it at 8:00 a.m. on June 7th, 1977. A continuation of the June 6th, 1977, Council meeting was called to order at 8:05 a.m., June 7th, 1977. PRESENT: Mayor Branning; Counciimembers Hayes and Holton; Clerk Asleson. ABSENT: Councilmembsrs Fitzsimmons and Savanick. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, adopting Resolution No. Withdrawing Apple Valley's appeal of the Metropolitan Systems Statement subject to inclusion in a revised Statement of the changes previously requested by Apple Valley and agreed to by Metropolitan Council .Staff in a letter dated May 24, 1977, as recommended by the Planning Commission. Ayes - 3 - Nays- 0. 1977-100 RES~ 1977-100 WITHDRAW SYS. STATEMENT APPEAL MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Hayes, approving an extension of the FARQUAR HILLS City's option to purchase four acres of parkland in the Farquar PARKLAND OPTION Hills area until July 31, 1978, and requesting permission to move any building on the parkland, to be dedicated, before that time. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 5 Mike Bassett reported on the V.A.A.'s usage of neighborhood parks for practice, which was approved on a trial basis by the Council at its last meeting. He said it appeared to be parking well at most parks and the V.A.A. would like to continue it. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, extending permission for the V.A.A; V.A.A.'S USE to use the eight neighborhood parks approved at the May 26, 1977 OF NEIGHBORHOOD meeting for practice indefinitely, subject to cancellation iS PARKS pr0blems arise. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Hayes, accepting the pump for Deep Well ACCEPT WELL 6 No. 6 from Northland Supply Company and authorizing final pay, PUMP ment for it. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Hayes, approving purchasing a used half PURCHASE USED ton pickup, 1970 Chevrolet, for the Street Department from PICKUP Todd Chevrolet for $1,200.00 Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Hayes, adopting Resolution No. 1977-101 RES. 1977-101 awarding the purchase of a sewer cleaning machine to Flexible TRUCK & SEWER Pipe Tool Company, the low bidder, in the amount of $12,659.00 ~LEANING MACH. and the purchase of a truck to mount it on to Superior Ford, Inc., the low bidder, in the amount of $7,826.00. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, adopting Resolution No. 1977~102 authorizing installation of stop and yield signs, as listed. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. RES. 1977-102 STOP & YIELD SIGNS MOTION: of Holton-, secondedby Hayes, approvlng a salary increase for Gary Pietig, Sports Facility Manager, of $98.00 monthly effective May 23rd, 1977. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. PIETIG SALARY INCREASE MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, approving hiring Susan Pihalylfor HIRE ACCOUNTING the position of Accounting Clerk effective immediately at $610.00 CLERK monthly, Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Branning, seconded by Holton, Passing Ordinance No. 190, amending Ordinance No 78 exempting the Minnesota Zoological Garden from the provisions of the sign ordinance for all signs on Zoo property except those within 100 feet of any road right- of-way. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, approving hiring Mark Bce and REPARTTIME William Scanlon. as, Groundskeepers It at $2.75 hourly; Ron EMPLOYEES Bouchard as Arena Attendant at $2.75 hourly; Daniel Mardell, Joseph Wiersham and Barbara Netland as Playground Supervisors at $3.90 hourly; Karen O'Keefe and Arthur Sarazin as Program Leaders at $2.75 hourly; Linda Gaudette, Pamela Cecchini and Steve Sando as Program'Assistants at $2.40 hourly; Susan Kuntscher as Lifeguard and Instructor~at.$B.25 hourly and John Berg as Instructor at $2.35 hourly. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. ORDINANCE~190 ZOO SIGNS MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Hayes, passing. Ordinance No. 191, amend- ORDINANCE 191 lng Ordinance No. 145, exempting animals at the Minnesota Zoolog- ZOO ANIMALS ical Garden from the requirement that domesticated animals must wear a tag showing the date of rabies vaccination. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 6 Mr. Asleson reviewed 1977 amendments to the State Levy Limitation Laws permitting City Councils to increase the levy limit base by ten percent for taxes levied in 1978. He reviewed comparisons of the 1977 tax levy and. an estimated 1978 tax levy using the increased levy limit base. He also listed the steps required if the Council wished to implement this increase, including publication of the notice and alpublic hearing on July 25, 1977. MOTION: of Holton, seconded by Hayes, adopting Resolution No. 1977- PES. 1977-103 103 setting a public hearing at 7:00 p.m. on July 25th, 1977, LEVY LIMIT on a proposed permanent levy limit base adjustment in an amount BASE HEARING not to exceed $86,376.00. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. Discussion of the State Aid Street Program was tabled. Mr. Asleson commented on meetings between Apple Valleyand Burnsville during the past year about Lake Alimagnet's level and water quality. The Engineers and Homeowners Association have made some recommendations on this. The State informed Mr. Rosene that it has about $18,000 in grant money available for this type of project for the fiscal year ending June 30 1977. It also said this program will not be renewed next year. Mike Bassett said he understands there are some restrictions placed on lakes when Department of Natural Resources funds are used; and he will get more details on this. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, authorizing Staff to prepare a PREPARE GRANT grant application to:the State for funds to be used for the APPLICATION Lake Alimagnet outlet, aeration tame or rearing pond for ALIMAGNET LAKE Council consideration at its next meeting. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. MOTION: of Hayes, seconded by Holton, approving a transient merchant TRANS. MERC. license for Jewel Home Shopping Service. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. LICENSE The Council discussed establishing procedures related to adoption of ordinances. Mr. Asleson suggested it should be in the form of a resolution outlining the steps. The Council said it didn't want to limit the steps by adopting a resolution, but rather have a written policy of procedures to, generally, be followed. James Kelly and J. M. Kelly of J. M, Kelly Co., Inc. presented a proposal for a clubhouse at the City's golf course. Jim Kelly reviewed the plans and layout of the building to include a cocktail lounge, restaurant, pro. shop and locker rooms. Jack Kelly described their ideas for the exterior of the building. He also gave backgrouhd information of the company and business experience of the members of the company. They estimate the build- ing will cost $700,000 to $750,000. They would ask the City to issue $500,000,in ind- ustrial revenue bonds and they will be financing the-balance. Other items in the proposal include requesting a deed for the property on which the building will sit, an easement over the driveway and parking lot for access to the building and, possibly, abatement of real estate taxes for the first two years. They intend to manage the facility themselves. Mayor Branning asked the Staff to review this proposal and make a recommendation:to the Council at its June 23rd meeting. 'He also asked the Kelly's to furnishlfinancial state- ments to the City. MOTION: of Hotton, seconded by Hayes,to adjourn. Ayes - 3 - Nays - 0. The meeting adjourned at 9:48 o'clock a.m. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Detail of Questions and Answers from Public Hearing on Project 76-19. Councilmember Fitzsimmons.said, when she requested another public hearing on this project including thePalomino Lakeshore Addition the area to be assessed, she believed the sidewalk on Garden view Drive would be used by the children from that area Walking to school. She has since found out that the children from this area are bussed to school beCause of the distance to the schools. Don Romain; 405 Reflection Road, asked what frontage is propOsed to be assessed to the Palomino Lakeshore Addition? Mr. Rosene said only the sidewalk along the platted lots of the Addition on the west side of Garden View Drive and the cost will be about $6.00 per foot. Mr. Romainasked who will be paying for the rest of the sidewalk? Mr. Rosene Said development agreements on the other platted areas, except the Lakeshore, Palomino Lakeside Estates and Timberwick 3rd Addition, prOvide for payment by the developers. The total cost of the sidewalk assessment for the Lakeshore Addition is estimated at $9,500, spread over 57 lots. Ge0rgeMaurer, Reflection Road, asked Why thesldewalkis being installed? The Mayor explained the poIicy of having sidewalks On both sides of collector streets. Mr. Maurer asked what benefit Reflection Road gets from a sidewalkon Garden View Drive? He said they are already paying to have their children bussed.to school, in taxes, and read figures from the School District on the cost of it. Mr. Maurer gave the Council a letter from James Moser giving his comments on the hearing since he could not be present. The following questions were asked: 'Why doesn't the City put sidewalks on both sides of every street in the City? 'Why do properties on the east side of Garden View. Drive have agreements covering the cost of the sidewalk and not others? Will the speed limit-on Garden View Drive be lowered after sidewalks are installed? Don Anderson questioned the timing of instaIling sidewalk on the west·side Of Garden View·Drive from 140th Street to County Road #'38 since there is no development yet? Don Romain asked if the people were misled on who would pay for the cost of the improvements at the last public hearing on this project?' He also asked, who will sh0el snow from the sidewalks? Harvey Henjum asked what the policy is on riding bicycles on sidewalks? Is a provisio~ for a bike path along Garden View Drive being made? Has there ever been an accident on Garden View Drive involving a Child walking to school? Tom Meyer asked who will shovel snow from the sidewalks? Mayor Branning said the City has adopted a policy of installing sidewalks on both sides of collector streets because those streets carry heavier traffic. The benefit to property in the Lakeshore Addition from the sidewalk is the same as compared to Redwood and Juniper benefitting from the sidewalk on Garden View Drive to the south. Councilmember Fitzsimmons said she has changed her stand on benefit to the Lakeshore Addition property because she believed those children would be using the sidewalk to walk to school. Councilmember Savanick asked what the distance to the schools are? The exact distances aren't known, but the Lakeshore Addition is less than one mile from Westview School so the school children would not necessarily continue to be bussed. She said she understood the reason the children were being bussed to the High School is because the street is dangerous and said the School District should be asked if sidewalks are installed, whether those children can walk to school. Mayor Branning said requiring sidewalks on both sides of every street would not be fiscally responsible. Sidewalks are required where traffic warrants them and collector streets are designed to carry more traffic than residential streets. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 2 Mr. Asleson said the Lakeshore Addition was developed before the City began using develop- ment agreements to cover costs ofsome improvements. The development agreements for Timberwick '3rd and Palomino Lakeside Estates did nOt include sidewalks because they were small additions and none of the lots had driveway accesses directly to Garden View Drive. The question was asked why the property on Reflection Road should pay for the sidewalk and isn't it a double standard, assessing property that abuts sidewalk and property that doesn't? Mayor Branning said the decision on how the cost of the improvements will be assessed, if they are installed, has not yet been made. After constructionon Garden View Drivehas been completed, the City will have to request the State Highway Department to take a survey on the street to determine the speed limit. The speed limits are set by it, not by the City. When the curb and gutter have been installed, GardEnView will go from a rUral to an urban type street and this may make a difference. In answer to the question on timing, Mayor Branning said sidewalk on the east side of Garden View has been petitioned for and installing sidewalk on the west side will complete the system. The Council has Not misled people.in who witl be paying.for the improvements. The people who were at the first public hearing were also notified of this public hearing, and some of them are here. The Highway Department has established rules saying bicycles should be ridden on streets. The City has not established a POlicy on whether bicycles can be ridden on sidewalks. The City does not yet have an approved trail Systems but it is working on one which will be part Of the ComprehensivePlan. Marie HenjUm aSked·what is planned for a future road to I35E with sidewalks and bike paths? That does not relate to this hearing, but will be part of the overall Plan. There have been three accidents on Garden View Drive involving.pedestrians The City's ordinance on snow shoveling states the property owner abutting the sidewalk must shovel CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Detail of Questions and Answers from Public Hearing on Project 77-1. Councilmember Fitzsimmons asked if cost figures were available on what has been spent to maintain the streets, in the Woods Additions and pUmp storm water during the past couple of years? John Gretz said he could not Rut together figures on those costs because records are not kept on how much material and how much time is spent on each street. The costs 'have involved storm water pu/nping in the spring, and street grading in the summer. Councilmember Savanick said this is being proposed as a temPorary street surfacing. How long will it be before utilities will be available in the area? Mr.Rosene said that is unknown now, but probably five to ten years because about one and one-half miles of sanitary sewer work will be necessary to extend it to that area. Savanick asked if the Schneider property on the west side of Pilot Knob Road developed, would it affect the Woods area? Mr. Rosene said if utilities were installed in the Schneider property, that would, bring the water closer but sanitary sewer would have to come from the south to serve the Woods area. Jim Frisbee questioned the amount of money actually spent for maintenance in the Woods areal He asked if this could be two projects, storm sewer and street surfacing? Mr, Rosene said it would be possible to, do thestorm sewer work without doing the street surfacing, but the street surfacing could not be done unless the storm sewer work is done also. Phyllis Lemay asked if the outlots the City has for street right-of-way will be paved also? Mr.Rosene said.no. Sarah Mardell asked what the storm sewer work only would cost? $22,200. How deep will the ponds be? Mr. Rosene said he does not have that information yet, but noexcavation is proposed to be done in the ponds. It is proposed to install pipe out!ets for the ponds, but the elevations would be determined when actual working plans are drawn. Dick Fulson said the ponds should not bea problem of the people who live there, but the City's problem. Jim Frisbee asked what these improvements would increase taxes? He also asked if the City would be willing to partioipate in the cost of the street surfacing? Will the assessments he spread over 28 or 30 lots? Mr. Fulson asked what the improvements would increase the valuation of the property? Mr. Asleson said when the Woods area was platted, the ponds were shown, but outlets for the ponds were probably not discussedbecause they were not needed at that time. Mayor Branning cosented on the City's policy of using storm water holding ponds rather than'installing a lot of storm sewer pipe the City doesn't oWn the ponds. Mr. Frisbee said the ponds are privately owned and when lots are sold, the property owners agree not to fill the ponds. Mr. Rosene commented on property within drainage areas contribut- ing to storm water problems. Mr. Asleson said the AsseSsor would probably not immediately revalue the propertY after the improvements were made. All property in the City, was increased by ten Percent in value for next year. The additional value the improvement would have for the property would be reflected in, perhaps, an increased selling price of the property with paved streets. CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota J~ne 6, 1977 Page 2 Mr. Asleson said there is no precedent for the City participating in the cost of surfac- ing streets. If the City paid part of the cost, the money comes from general tax money and, in effect, everyone in the City would be helping pay for street surfacing in:the Woods area. The assessments would be proposed over 28 lots, the two lots the Citylhas for street right-of-way would not be pavOd at this time. Mr. Frisbee said.he believes the city doesn't want to maintain the gravel roads anymore. The residents there are satisfied to have it remain a gravel road. Irene Daberkow asked how much the City spent over the last two years maintaining these streets?' John Gretz said he does not have detailed records on this kind of expenses. He also said money is not really the question, and believed the expenses have not been too greatl The purpose of the hearing is whether the residents want to continue with gravel roads. Michael Mardell asked if the COuncil. considered the alternative of not installing the improvements? Mayor Branning asked for a show of hands on how many people wanted 'storm sewer, street surfacing or neither. MOst people present wanted neither. Mr. Asleson commented on pumping ponds and said as the City grows, it may not always be able to respond as quickly to the problem as it haS in the past. The Mayor said the city is trying to determine when the right time is to install the improvements. Del Anderson said shouldn't that be when it can be a permanent improvement. Sarah'Mardell said they had a problem with storm water last year when their home was under construction, but now that the lot has been sodded, they don't anticipate the problem with runoff. Gerry Patterson presented a petition signed by residents of the Hayes Road-Stress Lane- Walnut Lane area requesting the Council to table consideration of improving Hayes Road and installing sidewalk until the Planning Commission has reviewed it and prepared documentation as to whether it should be improved Mike Patterson asked what is planned over the gastine? Mayor Branning said the comprehensive Plan showed proposed land use, but the Owner's of the property have not given the City a development plan. He also asked if the existing road is going to be torn up? No, the east half will be completed and an overlay put over the existing west half. Harvey Henjum asked how the improvements are prop0sed to be assessed? Mr. Rosene showed a map with the estimated cost per lot for the Sidewalk only via the assessment district method. Don Romain asked why sidewalk is not going to be on both Sides of Hayes Road? He also asked about a traffic signal at Hayes Road and County Road 42. Rev. Wold asked if there will be any assessments to the residents along Hayes Road and, if so, how much? Bob Nelson, Walnut Circle, asked why he is being assessed for sidewalk on Hayes Road? Jean Bakken, Stress Lane, asked the same question and said they have no direct access to Hayes Road and the re direct route to the high school for them is Garden View Drive. Doug Hanson, Oakwood Road, asked the same question. Cheryl BiandO asked if it is: necessary to make these improvements, and why can't the other roads, which have already been improved, be used? Bob Carroll asked if the assessments to his property would be under "Green Acres"? Jim Boreki asked if there is a proposal for sidewalk along the east side of Hayes Road? Yes, on both sides. The sidewalk will be five:feet wide. He asked how wide it is in front of the high school? Mr. RoSene said he believed it is five feet wide. Stan Trom asked if the boulevard trees would be saved? Gerry Patterson asked if the Council has considered the alternative of closing the present Hayes Road and constructing a street over the gasline? Joe Shirk said he believes it is inappropriate to consider improving Hayes Road now because of the traffic problems with its intersection at County CITY OF APPLE VA/~LE¥ Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 3 Road 42. Signals should be considered if the improvement is made. He asked what else is proposed for safety on the street such as stop signs or. speed bumps? He also questioned the alignment of the curb on the northern part of Hayes Road. Mike Patterson suggested people might use Hayes Road, after it is improved, to bypass traffic at the County Road 42 and Cedar intersection. Louise Malmgren asked why the street is proposed robe 44 feet wide? The question was asked what. criteria was used to figure assessments on the property for those who will not even be using the street? Joe Shirk said when I35E is constructed, traffic will probably he relieved on Hayes Road somewhat because out of town traffic will not have to use County Road 42 to get to the high school. Ed. Fritz asked if sidewalks will be on both sides of Hayes Road? Don Romain asked if Hayes Road is a collector street? Mayor Branning commented on previous consideration given to improving Hayes Road two years ago. He explained the assessment district concept proposed to be used for assessing the .cost of the sidewalk on the west side of Hayes Road. Mr. Asleson said the street improvements are proposed to be assessed to the Carroll property, the Fire Station and the park. He said the Council was on record from the last public hearing that the lots on Hayes Road would not be assessed for additional street improvements. The proposed assessment for sidewalk has been computed together with sidewalks on Garden View Drive from County Road 42 to Westview School. This is actually a part of that public hearing. The amount of the proposed assessment has been computed based on the distance the property is from Hayes Road and Garden View Drive; for the area involved in the hearing tonight, it is $90 to $80 per lot. The Mayor said a traffic signal for the Hayes Road-County Road 42 intersection has been discussed, but chances are slim it would be installed because there is not enough traffic. Most likely the intersection will be limited to right turns in and out only in the future. Councilmember Holton commented on discussions of constructing a street over the gasline easement, several years ago, and connecting it to McIntosh Drive on the south side of County Road 42. It was decided then that it would not be practical because of the grade change and the fact that several houses would have to be moved. Dave Snobeck said one solution would be to close the Hayes Road intersection with County Road 42 and continue it around to the service drive. The Mayor said the assessments to the lots are for sidewalks only. The property owners in South Apple Valley have already paid for sidewalks in that area. He also said he did not believe making deadend streets was the answer to problems because almost every- one would like to live on a deadend street. The City has encouraged use of other streets for access to the high school. Mr. Carroll was told "Green Acres" deferrment would apply. The Mayor also said the boulevard trees will be saved where possible and the sidewalk shifted around them. The Council has had the policy of being against installing speed bumps, and stop signs are not to be used for controlling speed, but other safety measures will have to be reviewed. It was noted that if Hayes Road is improved, it will be a straight through street from County Road 42 to 140th Street. Mr. Rosene said aligning the curbing along the park where it would connect to the exist- ing curbing would make a slight jog in the road, but it would not he a difficult problem. With respect to the problem of people using Hayes Road to bypass traffic at the intersection of County Road 42 and Cedar Avenue, it can't be guaranteed what people will do, but they would have to make two left turns by going that way. The CITY OF APPLE VALLEY Dakota County, Minnesota June 6, 1977 Page 4 street is proposed to'be 44 feet wide becaUse the Street in front of the high school is 44 feet wide and this would line up, but the final decision has not been made. Mrs. Bakken asked what the.street assessments would be? She was told the property on the west side of Hayes Road would not be assessed for the street improvements only the sidewalk on the west side. The comment was made that if sidewalks are being proposedfor the children's Safety, the city should pay for it because installing the street creates the problem. Councilmembsr Savanick said the school created part.of the problem when it put the high school Where it did. Judy Shirk asked why Hayes Road couldn't be barricaded? Councilmember Holton asked Bob Nelson, who is a member of the Fire Department, how this would affect the Fire Station? He said the Fire Station has direct access to County Road 42 and could use that. Mr. Snobeck said by improving Hayes. Road, the traffic problems will be worse. Erv Linson said he would ask the Council to consider diver traffic by using the service drive to Hayes Road and Closing the intersection with c0unt~Road 42, .Marie Henjum said there are no sidewalks along the service drive at County ROad 42 so children crossing at Garden View Drive from South Apple Valley still have to Walk on the street.