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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/15/1996C" CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 15, 1996 1. CALL TO ORDER The City of Apple Valley Planning Commission meeting was called to order at 7:05 p.m. by Chair Alan Felkner. Members Present: Alan Felkner, Marcia Gowling, Karen Edgeton, Diane Nagler, Frank Blundetto, and Paul Oberg. Members. Absent: Dave Swanson. Staff Present:. Rick Kelley, Tom Lovelace, Kathy Bodmer, Keith Gordon, and Mike Dougherty. Others Present: See the sign-in sheet. 2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Chair Felkner asked Staff and the Commission members if they had any changes or revisions to the proposed agenda. Community Development Director Rick Kelley stated that he would like to add two items under Number 8, Other Business: A. Regional Growth Options Open House, and B. Affordable. Housing Work Shop. There being no other additions, Chair Felkner called for approval of the agenda. MOTION; Member Gowling moved, seconded by Member Blundetto, to approve the agenda as amended. The motion. carried 6 - 0. 3. APPROVAL OF MAY 1,1996 MINUTES. Chair Felkner asked Staff and the Commission members if they had any changes or additions to the draft minutes included in the packet. There being none, he called for their approval. MOTION: Member Gowling moved, seconded by Member Blundetto, to approve the draft minutes of May 1, 1996 as submitted. The motion carried 6 - 0. 4. CONSENT ITEMS - None - Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 2 5. PUBLIC HEARINGS A. Hunters Wood Townhomes 5th Addition Chair Felkner opened the public hearing with the standazd remarks. Community Development Director Rick Kelley identified the location of the proposed project on the south side of Palomino Drive at the western most intersection of Hunters Way. The property is currently designated on the Comprehensive Plan for either Visitor Business use or Moderate Density Multiple Residential, and is currently consistently zoned under Planned Unit Development Number 144. Mr. Kelley explained that with the realignment of Palomino Drive it is proposed to add three townhouse lots to the previously approved Hunters Wood Townhome Development. The realignment of Palomino Drive will also provide an opportunity to shift somewhat the location of the previously approved units in order to preserve some of the steeper topography and mature trees that exist on this site. Kelly Murray of Wensmann Homes stated that the exterior appearance of the units would be identical to those. of the previously approved townhome clusters. The only difference would be that the new clusters would contain only two dwelling units each, and that none of these units would be two story, but all one story walkouts. Chair Felkner asked the Commission Members if they had any questions concerning this proposed project. Commissioner Cowling asked if the driveway access onto Hunters. Way would line up with the driveway access to the future Kwik Trip located on the. opposite side of the street. The driveways would line up. Chair Felkner then asked if any members. of the audience wished to address this item. at the public hearing. There being none; he then closed the hearing with the standard remarks. It is expected that action will. be taken on this item at the next Planning Commission meeting. 6. LAND USE/ACTION TTEMS A. Conditional Use Permit for Phillips 66 Motor Fuel Sales Car Wash and Alternate Building Materials Assistant Planner Tom Lovelace highlighted the location of the proposed project, the southeast corner of Cedar Avenue and 155th Street, on a map. He reiterated the approvals being requested, which consist of a conditional use permit for motor fuel sales, a conditional use permit for a car wash, and a conditional use permit for alternate exterior building materials. He also noted that the standard review of the site plan and building elevations would be considered concurrently. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 3 Mr. Lovelace then reviewed the site plan for this project, noted the circulation route that would occur on site, and distributed a letter from the applicant stating that they would abide by all of the previously identified staff revisions with the exception of any changes to the architectural style, or any reorientation of the building or fuel pumps on the site to accommodate future development on the. adjacent properties. Mr. Lovelace also distributed to the Planning Commission copies of petitions and letters in opposition to the project from the adjoining residential neighborhood. Mr. Lovelace went on to state that based on the comments received at the public hearing, the City has engaged the services of its traffic consultant to evaluate the potential traffic impacts upon. the adjacent streets from this project. Staff is therefore recommending that this item be continued to the next meeting to allow time for the completion. of this traffic study. Commissioner Edgeton asked what conditions have changed since the previous evaluation of this project in 1991 which warrant a traffic study. Mr. Lovelace noted that some things have changed. For instance, the proposed building is three times larger than the previously approved project. Chair Felkner asked ifthere were. any other questions from Commissioners concerning this project: There being none, he then addressed the audience. He stated that there would be no action this evening, and that. the Commission. would await the conclusion of the traffic study prior to making its recommendation. He did state that, although the public hearing has been closed, they would accept additional (new) information from audience members.. Milt Ferris approached. the Commission. and stated that he was the secretary of the Cedar PointeTownhome Association. He distributed some additional petition forms with more signatures of residents in opposition to this. proposed project. Jim Hantson of the law firm Banningan & Kelly approached the Commission, and stated that his firm. represented the petitioner Phillips 66. He inquired as to whether or not the City was expecting to act within the statutory review time line. City Attorney Mike Dougherty noted that by statute the City has 60 days to review a project from the date of its initial application, with the ability to extend the review an additional 60 days,if necessary to complete additional studies or discovery of information. The City is responsible to notify the petitioner in writing if the additiona160 day time period must be taken. Mr. Hanton stated that he simply wished to be on record that the time line was in fact running. 6B. Snyder Orthodontic Clinic Assistant Planner Kathy Bodmer identified the proposed project's location on the southwest corner of 140th Street and Essex Avenue. The property is currently designated on the Comprehensive Plan for Retail Business use, and is consistently zoned Retail Business. She noted Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 4 that the revised site plan has changed the orientation of the building so that the longest side now runs in a north/south direction. This realignment of the building allows it to meet the minimum setback. from Essex Avenue without variance, as was discussed at the previous Planning Commission meeting. Ms. Bodmer also. noted that the parking turnaround area on the west side of the parking lot has been revised in accordance with Staff recommendations,. and that the driveway access to Essex Avenue is now perpendicular to the street and lines. up with the intersection of the Foxmoore Ridge driveway on the opposite side of the street. Brian Hanson, the architect for the project,. approached the Commission and stated that the 2 1/2 percent landscape requirement will be documented. He also noted that the requirement for dedication of a street easement on the west end of the outlot for the existing street would also be provided by the underlying property owner, and that it is their preference to escrow the estimated cost of the sidewalk construction along. Essex to allow for its future installation with sidewalk to the south rather than putting. in a single short piece at this time. He asked who would be responsible for the maintenance of the sidewalk. Commissioner Oberg asked for a clarification regarding the revised parking turnaround on the. west end of the parking lot. Mr. Hanson explained exactly how it would work. Commissioner Oberg stated that he is concerned that a car would still have to back up toward the front. entry azea of the. building. and thought that it would present. a hazard. to pedestrians who were leaving. the building. He said it was not an ideal situation. Commissioner Nagler asked if the revised building still had the same architectural. exterior. Mr. Hanson said that yes,. it is identical; it has just been reoriented. Bodmer noted that the Engineer's estimate for the sidewalk completion. would be $4,500 now for construction with the building, but $6,250 if the sidewalk is to be installed at a later date. City Engineer Keith Gordon stated that the reason a future installation would cost more is that there would. be much more restoration involved in constructing a sidewalk in a situation where sod would have to be replaced and curb cuts at driveway access points would have to be modified. City Attorney Mike Dougherty stated that it would not be necessary for the petitioner to decide which. method he would prefer to pursue this evening. That decision could await the final plat and subdivision agreement before the City Council. There being no further discussion on this item, Chair Felkner asked for the Commission to make its recommendation. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 5 MOTION: Member Edgeton moved, seconded by Member Nagler, to recommend approval of the preliminary plat in accordance with the Staff recommendations. The motion carried 6 - 0. MOTION: Member Edgeton moved, seconded by Member Nagler to recommend approval of the site plan and building permit authorization in accordance with the Staff recommendation. The motion carried 6 - 0. This item will appear on the June. 6th City Council meeting. Commissioner Edgeton stated that she was pleased that the architect was able to make revisions to the site plan to meet the setback requirements without having to consider a variance. 6C. Conditional Use Permit for Kwik Trip Car Wash Assistant Planner Tom. Lovelace introduced the item which involves the issuance of a conditional use permit for a car wash at the future Kwik Trip facility located. on the northeast corner of County Road 11 and realigned Palomino Drive. Mr. Lovelace noted that. the. petitioner has agreed to some minor revisions as recommended by Staff at the previous meeting; and consequently Staff is now recommending approval of the revised plan. He noted that the Staff report included information. concerning the size of the parcel remainder on the north side of the building, its square footage, and the typical size of building which could be accommodated there. Scott Teigen of Kwik Trip Incorporated stated. that he wished to confirm that they were in agreement with all ofthe Staff recommended revisions, and that no sign or setback variances were necessary. He was in complete agreement with the 5 foot wide landscape strip necessary on the north side of their lot. MOTION: Member Cowling moved; seconded by Member Edgeton, to recommend approval of the conditional use permit for the car wash in accordance with the staff recommendations. The motion carried 6 - 0. Commissioner Frank Blundetto stepped down from the dais at this time. 7. DISCUSSION ITEMS A. Sketch Plan Review for Holiday Truck Express Assistant Planner Kathy Bodmer introduced this proposed development which would be located on the northeast comer of County Road 42 and Johnny Cake Ridge Road. She noted that this area is designated on the Comprehensive Plan for Light Industrial uses and is consistently zoned I-1. Ms. Bodmer then reviewed the permitted and conditional uses in the I-1 zoning category. Planning Commission Minutes May 15,1996 Page 6 The development proposal would involve splitting the lot. On the south side of the existing lot adjacent to County Road 42 it would be proposed to construct a convenience grocery and fuel station, and. on the north side of the lot, the 149th Street side, a future restaurant site is identified. This would be shown simply as a new outlot at this time. There is no site plan for the restaurant. The overall development plan for this property also shows a new access to Johnny Cake Ridge Road which would be shared between the convenience grocery/fuel station and future restaurant. It is also proposed that the restaurant and convenience grocery/fixel station have interconnected parking lots. Ms. Bodmer noted that the City currently has an easement which restricts any driveway access to Johnny Cake Ridge Road along this side of the lot. Mark Nelson introduced himself as the real estate manager for Holiday Companies. He noted that Mr. Dave Ericksmoen of the Venstar Corporation, the current property owner, was also present in the audience this evening. Mr. Nelson noted that their business survey has determined that there is a lack. of fuel and convenience grocery services in this area of the community.. He stated that County Road 42 is a major arterial and is well suited to this type of use. He noted that the convenience grocery building is designed to be a "two-sided" structure with a separate entrance on the auto fuel pump side, and a separate entrance on the truck fuel pump side. He stated that they do not have a Class I restaurant lined up at this time. He noted the new shared. access to Johnny Cake Ridge Road shown on their plan; and.believes that it would be beneficial to the City to provide access at this point. He stated that the:. building. would be all brick and block construction and would have a peak roof. Chair Felkner asked if it was. realistic to expect a restaurant to locate here. Mr, Nelson said that he thinks that the demand being generated from the area just outside of the industrial park area is sufficient to support the restaurant. Commissioner Oberg asked what type of restaurant it would be. Would it be like a 24- hour Denny's operation? Mr. Nelson stated that it would be similar, but he could not name any specific restaurant at this time. Commissioner Edgeton questioned how much "local" truck traffic actually exists along County Road 42 at this time. Mr. Nelson stated that it does in fact exist. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 7 Commissioner Edgeton stated that she would like more information on this. She does not believe that County Road 42 currently carries a significant amount ofsemi-trailer truck traffic, but that this would simply encourage more. She thinks it would pull some traffic up from the newly improved County Road 46 highway corridor, which she thinks is not desirable, given the recent construction of the County Road 46 interchange on 35W. Mr. Nelson stated that they build their facilities based on current traffic, not upon what it might draw in from other roadways. He stated that when they use the term "local", he simply means that this is not over-the-road semi-trailer truck traffic. That type of traffic does not exist on County Road 42. Commissioner Edgeton asked if they had any statistics on local truck traffic that they could share. Dave Ericksmoen of Venstar, stated that the adjacent Northstar Concrete traffic has about 15 to 20 semi-trailer truck trips per day during the construction season. They stated that they currently consume about 7,500 gallons of diesel fuel. every ten days, and would certainly become a customer if the truck stop is constructed. Commissioner Edgeton asked if the other tenants in the Venstat Industrial Park weren't in fact very low truck traffic generators. Mr. Ericksmoen stated yes, that was true, that there is a very small amount of truck traffic being generated by their tenants.. Mr. Nelson stated that truck traffic also refers to pickup trucks, delivery vans, and the like,. and not just. tractor trailer rigs. Commissioner Edgeton asked if they would only be selling diesel fuel. Mr. Nelson stated that they would sell both gasoline and diesel fuel on both the west and east sides. Commissioner Nagler asked for an explanation concerning the existing easement that restricts driveway access to Johnny Cake Ridge Road. Kathy Bodmer addressed this issue. She stated it was intended that access from these Light Industrial lots was fo occur only to the internal streets, and not to either County Road 42 or to Johnny Cake, which are four lane roads carrying higher levels of traffic. Commissioner Edgeton asked what the distance is from the proposed driveway to County Road 42. Mr. Nelson said that it looked like it was about 175 feet from the edge of pavement to edge of pavement. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 8 Mr. Ericksmoen stated that this driveway would line up directly with the existing driveway on the west side of Johnny Cake that provides access to the Northstar Concrete plant. Chair Felkner noted that retail uses such as convenience grocery are not allowed in I-1 zones. However, he doesn't believe that gas and diesel fixel sales to trucks should occur in the downtown commercial area. Kathy Bodmer stated that that was correct. However, if it is a truck depot, it should not have the appearance or functionality of a typical gas station. A general discussion ensued concerning the proposal. Commissioner Edgeton stated that she does not believe a convenience grocery would be a good use in an industrial park. Commissioner Cowling asked what the tenants in the business park actually think about this proposal. Mr. Ericksmoen stated that they have not spoken to everybody, but he did bring. the topic up to the owners of Thompson's Gymnastics adjacent to the east side of this lot: While they did not offer opinion about the use, they did state that they felt Yhat whatever is built on the vacant lot should be attractive and well maintained. Rick Kelley stated that it is probably necessary for the City to study the current state of the art in truck stops. It is his opinion that in its current configuration,.it is not. a truck stop; but just a convenience grocery and fuel station being proposed on the site. Dave Ericksmoen stated he felt that if the project does go forward; it is necessary to have the driveway access onto Johnny Cake. He does not. believe that it is in the best interest of the rest of the industrial park tenants to have the additional truck traffic coming. in on 149th Street: Commissioner Blundetto rejoined the Planning Commission dais at this time. 7B. Palomino Cliffs 16 Unit Townhome Development Tom Lovelace introduced the item which concerns the property on the southeast corner of County Road 11 and realigned Palomino Drive. This area is designated on the Comprehensive Plan for either Visitor Business or Moderate Density Residential, and is currently zoned under Planned Development 144 which. provides for the proposed use. The sketch plan consists of 16 one level townhouse units with a single access driveway to the realigned part of Palomino Drive which would line up with the Hunters Way intersection. Bill Hayden of RCS Development introduced himself to the Commission and stated that John Dillingham of Alliance Engineering has done the layout. He noted that the units would have Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 9 100 percent brick facing on the front and garage sides in order to meet the 50 percent total brick requirement by City ordinance. Commissioner Edgeton noted that this was very hilly property, and asked how much of it would be graded. Mr. Dillingham stated that quite a lot. of it would have to be altered: Realigned Palomino Drive goes through. the area now at about a 6 percent grade. The property is quite high on the east and slopes down rapidly to the west to a low ponding area, where he identified the location of several retaining walls in their sketch plan. Commissioner Edgeton asked about tree removal. Mr. Dillingham identified the tree tine on the sketch plan illustrating the area where trees would be retained. There would, of course,. be quite a few removed. Commissioner Cowling asked about the density on the proposal. Mr. Dillingham stated that the 16 units proposed on 7.2 acres approximates 2.2 dwelling units per acre. Commissioner Cowling stated that it looked like the private roads. in this development would be rather steep. Mr. Dillingham stated that they would have a level. landing area at the intersection of Palomino Drive, and that depending on where you are on the site, the private roads would vary between 5 percent and 11 percent. Commissioner Cowling asked how emergency vehicles would turn around at the interior portions of the site: There was a general discussion concerning emergency access. Keith.. Gordon and Rick Kelley stated that the private drives should be reconfigured so that 8 percent is the maximum grade. Commissioner Blundetto asked if the four units on the western part of the site could be moved even further west in order to lengthen that drive and soften its grade. Mr. Dillingham said they would look into that. Mr. Hayden stated that he is very interested in putting together a townhouse project which has handicapped accessible units. He stated that these one level walkouts would have several different packages available regarding modifications to their internal floor plans, elevators and chair lifts to accommodate people who need wheelchairs. Commissioner Nagler asked about visitor parking. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 10 Mr. Dillingham stated that there would be a two car garage for each unit, and two bays in front of the garage. Rick Kelley noted that the City's code also requires one visitor pazking stall to be located in a gangue arrangement at the rate of one half stall per dwelling unit. 7C. Multiple Residential on Cedar Avenue and County Road 38 Tom Lovelace introduced this item which concerns the property on the northeast corner of Cedar Avenue and County Road 38. The property consists of three sepazate parcels of land which involve two sepazate zoning districts and two separate comprehensive plan designations. The property owner has two potential projects that he wishes to discuss before the Commission this evening: an apartment project consisting of two 3fi unit buildings and one 18 unit building for a total of 90 dwelling units, or a townhouse development consisting of 26 townhouse units in a twinhome configuration.. Mr. Lovelace noted that the site is relatively difficult to work with, having some very steep existing slopes and significant mature vegetation on the top of the hill. It will be necessary for whatever project is built to implement very careful erosion control measures. Mr: Coady noted that in both cases, very little material would actually have to be removed from the site, about 2,000 cubic yards for either the apartment project or the townhouse projects. However, the apartment project would require much more dirt to actually be moved on site -- about 90;000 cubic yards,. as opposed to 16,000 cubic yazds for the townhomes. He said that his engineer has performed a tree survey and finds that there are 130 trees having a 12 inch or greater diameter, which aze classified as significant trees. The tree survey, however, has not yet been incorporated into the grading plan to determine how many of those trees would be removed and how many would be saved. Commissioner Edgeton said it seemed that from the preliminary grading plan, much more of the natural features of the site would be saved with the townhouse development as opposed to the apartment development. Mr. Coady said that that has not actually been calculated, but he assumes that that is the case. Commissioner Edgeton then asked if these townhome units would be done with afull- blown townhome association, or if the duplex units would simply have a common wall agreement between owners. Mr. Coady said that they would have a complete association since there is a private drive and town property to be maintained as well. Commissioner Edgeton then asked about the density. Staff noted that it is about four and a half units per acre for the townhomes. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 11 Commissioner Gowling asked what is located to the north side of the proposed development. Mr. Coady stated that directly to the north is the Hidden Ponds single family neighborhood. Commissioner Gowling then asked if the apartment proposal would be visible from the single family neighborhood. Mr. Coady stated that there is a significant grade change, and that he was not sure whether they would be visible. He presumed, however, that it would be possible to see the tops of the apartment buildings from the single family neighborhood. Commissioner Edgeton asked if the apartment proposal would require a rezoning. Mr. Lovelace stated that because of the two different zoning districts which exist on the parcels now, either the townhome or the apartment project would require a rezoning. The apartment project would require two parcels to be zoned for higher density, while the townhome proposal would require one parcel to be zoned for lower density. Commissioner Edgeton said it would be much more of a problem zoning for more density than zoning for less density. Mr. Coady noted that the Dakota County Housing and Redevelopment Authority Apartment Survey indicates that there is less than 1 percent vacancy rate in existing apartment buildings at this time. That leads. him. to believe that there. is a genuine need. for more apartment buildings. Commissioner Gowling asked what the vacancy rate is for townhomes at this time. Mr. Coady stated that he did not know, although. if he built townhomes on this property, they would be owner occupied as opposed to rental townhomes. Commissioner Edgeton stated that she thinks it would be very tough to put in a high density apartment project next to an existing single family neighborhood. Mr. Coady noted that these single family homes were built after the Cedar Knolls Apartment buildings were constructed along Germaine Avenue, which is generally the same neighborhood. Commissioner Oberg stated that he would be concerned over having a single access for over 90 units of apartments as opposed to a single access for only 26 dwelling units. There was a general discussion concerning the number of trips per day generated for an apartment unit versus a townhome unit. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 12 Chair Felkner stated that while he believes there is probably a citywide need for more apartment units, approving them at this location is likely to be a very tough sell. Commissioner Oberg asked Staff what the long-range housing needs are in the community for apartments as opposed to townhomes, especially at this location. Community Development Director Rick Kelley stated that there is certainly a need for additional market rate apartment dwellings in the City. There is also, however, a need for either rental or owner occupied townhome units, since they do offer an alternate housing opportunity to the traditional detached single family home. Mr. Kelley went on to state that given the large number of apartment units that already exist in this particular neighborhood,. it would probably be better to encourage townhomes at this location and additional apartment buildings elsewhere in the City. 7D. Heartbeat Dance Studio Assistant Planner Kathy Bodmer introduced this development proposal, located at 7661 145th Street West; which is currently a vacant lot. The property is currently guided for Linuted Business uses on the Comprehensive Plan, and is consistently zoned Limited Business. The purpose of the. sketch. plan is to discuss the potential. of using alternate exterior building. materials in this zoning district. In particular, the. architect would like to discuss the use of burnished block, cast stone, and a metal roof. The architect will be setting up a slide show to demonstrate the use of alternate materials. Chair Felkner called. a 5 minute break at 8:47 p:m. Chair Felkner reconvened the meeting at 8:53 p.m. Barry Pettit introduced himself as the architect of the proposed project, and stated that he would be showing a series of slides involving the use of alternate exterior materials, as well as photos of buildings in the immediate neighborhood of the proposed dance studio. Deb Lysholm introduced herself as the future owner and operator of Heartbeat Studios. She stated that she has lived in Apple Valley since 1972 and has. been teaching dance in Community Education since that time. She says that because there is no available appropriate spaces for dance that can be rented, she has determined that the best approach is to construct a special purpose building for dance. Mr. Pettit went on to explain the use of alternate materials and stated that while cost is certainly an issue for this project, they want to make it as aesthetically pleasing as possible. The first series of photos showed significant buildings in the metropolitan area which would not be able to meet the current City "brick" standards. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 13 Photos included the Wiseman Art Museum at the University of Minnesota campus which has an all stainless steel exterior, and the Herman Miller complex in Iowa which has a series of office buildings constructed of painted and galvanized metal in a fashion. to imitate coral agricultural complexes. Mr. Pettit went on to state that Apple Valley's exterior building material standards are quite typical and that generally these standards are established and written in a fashion that would prevent the last "bad" building constructed in the. community. The second series of slides were those of the buildings currently existing on the lots adjacent to the proposed dance studio, as well as those in the general neighborhood. Mr. Pettit then distributed samples of the building materials he would like to use on the dance studio. These consisted of a cast stone material, a burnished concrete block material, metal door and window frames painted out to match the exterior, metal roofing and tinted window glass. Mr. Pettit said that he would like feedback from. the Commissioners concerning these materials. Chair Felkner asked Staff to have the building department review the proposed materials as to their durability. A general discussion ensued on the submitted materials and the amount of maintenance necessary. Commissioner Oberg asked about. the expected life expectancy of the metal roof. Mr. Pettit said that after about 20 years. the color would begin to fade somewhat. Mr. Kelley noted that metal roofs are in fact permitted by the City's materials standards. Commissioner Edgeton asked about the availability of different colors in the burnished block material. Mr. Pettit stated that the standard burnished block is a gray material, but it is now available in beige tones and light reddish tones. Commissioner Edgeton noted that the City has allowed alternate materials in the past. She did express some concern over the apparent. uniform appearance of each of the building elevations of the proposed dance studio because of its height. She said she would like. to see some type of banding or other azchitectural treatment on the building faces to break up the expanse of the single material. Commissioner Nagler asked about the durability of the glossy finish on the burnished block. Commissioner Oberg asked how many students would be at the dance studio. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 14 Ms. Lysholm stated that they would have a maximum of 33 students there at any one time. She stated that about half of her students are dropped off and picked up. Chair Felkner asked how much stacking was provided for in the student dropoff and pickup area. There appears to be room for about five cars there. Ms. Lysholm stated that the start and finish times would be staggered. for the different classes. Chair Felkner stated that he was still concerned that there was not enough stacking room if 15 parents tried to pick up their children all at once. Mr. Pettit stated that an alternative to the dropoff area would be a more traditional L- shaped parking lot that would require the parents to actually park their cars instead of waiting in front of the door. Commissioner Edgeton left the meeting at this. time. Mr. Felkner went on to state that he wanted to make sure that whatever parking arrangement. is constructed, it does not require parents. waiting to pick up their children Lo have to wait in line with cars backed out onto 145th Street. He stated that the architects. should work with Staffto determine. what would. be appropriate, durable, and suitable materials for this: project which would be compatible: with. the appearance of the neighborhood.:. 8. OTHER BUSINESS A. Regional Growth Options Open House Mr. Kelley distributed information concerning an upcoming. open house to be held at the Dakota County Western Government Center on Wednesday, May 29th, The meeting would be held during the evening hours. This workshop would be put on by the Metropolitan Council and concerns the three options for growth which would influence the manner in which development occurs in the Twin Cities metropolitan area over the next 25 year period. Mr. Kelley encouraged members of the Commission who had that evening free to attend the open house. B. Affordable Housing Workshop Mr. Kelley distributed information concerning an upcoming affordable housing workshop. This workshop is oriented toward city staff members, elected officials, and volunteer commissions in addressing citizen perception and concerns over modest cost affordable housing developments. Planning Commission Minutes May 15, 1996 Page 15 9. ADJOURNiVIENT MOTION: Member Blundetto moved, seconded by Member Gowiing, to adjourn the meeting. The motion cazried 5 - 0. The meeting adjourned at 9:25 p.m.