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CITY OF APPLE VALLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
20, 2000
1. CALL TO ORDER
The City of Apple Valley Planning Commission meeting was called to order by Chair Karen Edgeton at 7:00
p.m.
Members Present: Kazen Edgeton, Jeannine Churchill, John Bergman, Tom Melander, Frank Blundetto, Jim
Hadley
Members Absent: Tim Burke
Staff Present: Consulting Engineer Keith Gordon, City Attorney Shazon Hills, Assistant Planner Kathy
Bodmer, City Planner Tom Lovelace, Assistant Planner Margaret Milton, Community Development Duector
Rick Kelley
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Churchill moved, seconded by Hadley, to approve the agenda. The motion tamed 6-0.
3. APPROVAL OF DECEMBER 6, 2000 MINUTES
MOTION: Churchill moved, seconded by Bergman, to approve the minutes as submitted. The motion carried
6-0.
4. CONSENT ITEMS -None -
5. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. Conditional Use Permit to Operate a Class II Restaurant with Drive-Thru Window by Schlotzsky's
Deli
Assistant Planner Kathy Bodmer introduced the item.
Melander asked for clarification of the pazking requirements. He noted that eliminating the pazallel parking
spaces on the west should improve the fuming radius at the northwest comer of the building. Bergman
wondered if there wasn't a way to eliminate pazking spaces that would improve the traffic flow. Edgeton said
that there should be signage indicating employee pazking on the north.
Kim Gazland, manager of Schlotzsky's Deli, said she has not yet met with the azchitect to fmalize plans, and
that she is willing. to work with the City to accommodate both the site design and landscaping
recommendations.
Bergman asked when deliveries and garbage collections occur. Gazland stated deliveries are of 8 and 9 a.m.,
while gazbage pickup generally takes place around 10 a.m. She noted that no vendor drop-offs have taken
place during customer hours. Edgeton said she thought that such a restriction would need to be a condition of
approval.
6. LAND USE/ACTION ITEMS
A. Planned Development Rezoning for Carlton Lakes Mired Residential and Commercial Uses
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City Planner Tom Lovelace reviewed the applicant's request. He explained that by requiring future building on
the site to go through the conditional use permit process, greater flexibility is provided the developer, and
greater oversight is afforded the City. This is being done because there aze no builders or site plans identified
for the site yet, but the developer is anxious to move forward in the process.
Bergman asked about benning requirements and gravel hauling access. Lovelace stated that berming will be
up to the Cazlton Lakes developer. He noted that Johnny Cake Ridge Road, cunently the primary access for
gravel hauling, would be extended as a nine-ton capacity road. Lovelace went on to say a semaphore at 153`d
and Pilot Knob would be needed before hauling could occur on that route. Reconstruction of Pilot Knob is
expected to take place in 2003. Lovelace showed where pipelines have been relocated and where they remain
to be relocated. The grade elevation of the future 153`d Street is also an issue identified by Lovelace.
Peter Gualtieri, representing Astra Genstar, the petitioner, stated the process staff is recomrnending is very
sensible and one they aze comfortable with. He went onto say they are anxious to get to Step 2 wherein a
Planned Development agreement will be drafted, and master plans for landscaping, utilities, etc. will be
drawn.
Edgeton reminded the pefitioner the Planning Commissioh in the past has held developers to their design
concepts.
There was some discussion as to how development will occur, including future sales to builders and the
retention of architectural controls by Astra Genstar.
Anthony Gleekel, attorney for Fischer Sand & Aggregate, referenced documents submitted in the packet: his
letter dated December 14, letter to Tony Gleekel from Sunde Engineering, and letter to Mr. Gleekel from
Dahlgren Shazdlow and Uban. He stated any rezoning would be contingent upon execution of a Planned
Development Agreement (PDA), and he felt it was critical to have input into the PDA process. He noted that
Fischer's position is that Johnny Cake Ridge Road would be the gravel hauling access until their raining is
done. He expressed concern about the lack of standazds for the Conditional Use Pemrits within the Planned
Development ordinance. He said that Sunde Engineering's comments report significant storm water issues.
Finally,. he stated that tinning of improvements is critical, especially to traffic issues, and that during the EIS
(in 1988) mining east of Pilot Knob was the most important element, and development like what is proposed
on the west side of Pilot Knob was not anticipated within this time frame.
Melander asked how the timetables for the Carlton Lakes development match up with removal of sand and
gravel. Gleekel said they would still be mining well past 2006, when the fmal phase is projected to occur.
Edgeton stated she also had concerns that neither the Planning Commission nor adjacent property owners have
input to the PDA, and that it appeazs there aze issues those parties need to agree upon.
Lovelace pointed out the current general location of Fischer Sand and Aggregate's batch plant. He also noted
that the pond shown on the western side of the development needs to be constmcted for storm water
management in order for Phase I to proceed. Community Development Director Rick Kelley responded that
the City would have to make decisions as to appropriate grades, etc. He agreed that issues relating to the status
of sand and gravel mining operations and future development need to be discussed by the parties involved, and
that the City could provide a presence for those discussions. Edgeton said she would like to see the City
facilitate decisions being made.
Hadley asked if 153"t Street construction would be part of Phase L Lovelace answered that just a portion of
the street would be. Lovelace went onto say that normally road constmction occurs with development. It's
possible that a partial secfion of 153"t Street could be installed at Pilot Knob for hauling access, similaz to the
design of Johnny Cake Ridge Road south of C.R. #42 currently.
Blundetto said he was trying to understand the motives of the parties, asking if there was a relationship
between Fischer's mining activities and the potential materials movement on the Williams property north of
County Road 42. Gleekel responded that they aze trying to preserve their assets, unrelated to activities north of
C. R. #42.
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Peter Fischer of Fischer Sand and Aggregate described whatmay have been his father's thought process in
deciding not to begin moving their plant off the property under discussion. Fischer indicated they could
probably pour footings for the ready-mix plant next spring. The wash plant has to be taken down and put back
up.
Gordon Jensen, attorney for the Seed Family (owners of the property), stated that they served notice on
January 14, 1999, to Fischers to cease operations by January 14, 2001, the lease end date. He went on to say
he had seen no progress with removal of the equipment, and that there would be no more access except for
removal of equipment after January 14, 2001.
Gualtieri said he would like to volunteer to bring the PDA to the Commission. Kelley noted that the Planning
Commission could request of the City Council that the Commission be allowed to review the PDA. Gualtieri
suggested an informal meeting and design chazette to discuss the PDA, feeling that setting is more productive.
Edgeton asked Lovelace for staff s recommendation. Lovelace stated he would like to review the traffic report
and other documents submitted, and allow the parties to talk to each other further about the issues; therefore,
there is no recommendation at this time.
MOTION: Churchill moved, seconded by Hadley, to table this item until January 17, 2001. Motion carved 6-
0.
7.OTHER BUSINESS
A. Review Cobblestone Lake AUAR for Potential Environmental Impacts of Mixed Use Development
Lovelace advised the Commission that this item be brought forwazd for review at a public meeting as required
by the Rules of the Environmental Quality Boazd. He introduced Rob Bouta of Westwood Professional
Services.
Bouta reported the proposed project involves the conversion of 180 acres currently being mined for gravel and
of 183 acres currently agricultural. Scenario 1 is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan; air and noise levels
would comply with standards; and road improvements and internal circulation design is intended to minimise
impacts. He closed by stating the public comment period ends on December 27u'. Bouta clarified that detached
housing refers to single family dwellings.
Jake Enebak of Traditions Development, the petitioner, said he would welcome the opporhmity to sit down
with the Planning Commission for input into the process. He noted they have a similar project in Blaine in the
planning phase.
B. Sketch Plan for Duplex Development on the Southeast Corner of Pilot Khob & Diamond Path by
Makeshwar Fip Motiall
Assistant Planner Margaret Milton introduced the item.
Edgeton noted that these parcels were not specifically looked at in relation to the Comprehensive Plan update.
Milton said that the vision was to leave the property designated low-density, the same as it is now, so the
property was not brought into the discussion specifically.
Bergman asked about storm water runoff impacts to Fazquaz Lake. Engineer Keith Gordon stated the proposed
rain gazden limits the amount of water that runs to the lake to approximate what is there now. He went onto
specify a boring of the soil in the rain garden will be needed to see that it can soak up the amount of water
needed.
Edgeton stated she didn't think the parcel was appropriate for multi-family development. Melander concurred.
Blundetto said he thought the proposal was too dense for that property.
Makeshwaz Fip Motiall (Fip), the applicant, said he agreed that there aze concerns with the lake. He stated the
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water quality of Fazquar is not good, partially due to septic runoff Fip suggested that his proposal would not
put more water into the lake and that it would eliminate four septic systems, thereby improving the system.
His opinion is that some leveling of the properties by grading would actually enhance the area.
Gary Tushie of Tushie Montgomery Associates, representing the applicant, distributed proposed design
elevations and floor plans. He said they aze looking at townhomes in the 250 to $300,000 range.
Milton confirmed that the septic system on Lot A is currently not in compliance.
Melander asked about plans for homes along Farquaz to hook up to city services. Kelley said the City
anticipates that ultimately all homes will be connected to sanitary sewer and water service.
8. ADJOiIRNMENT
Blundetto moved, seconded by Churchill, to adjourn the meeting. Motion tamed 6-0. The meeting was adjourned at 9:05
p.m.
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