HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/19/1993PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
CITY OF APPLE VALLEY
May 19, 1993
1. CALL TO ORDER
The Planning Commission meeting of May 19, 1993 was called to order at 7:35 p.m.
in the City Council Chambers.
Members Present: Chairman Alan Felkner, Marcia Gowling, Jeannine Churchill
and Karen Edgeton.
Staff Present: Dennis Miranowski, Keith Gordon, Meg McMonigal and
Scott Hickok.
Others Present: See the sign -in sheet.
2. APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA
MOTION: Marcia Gowling moved, seconded by Jeannine Churchill, to approve the
agenda as written.
3. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF MAY 12, 1993
MOTION: Karen Edgeton moved, seconded by Jeannine Churchill, to approve the
minutes of May 12, 1993.
4. CONSENT AGENDA
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5. PUBLIC HEARING
A. Schwartz Property - Comprehensive Plan Amendment, Rezoning
from "A" to "RCL ", and Preliminary Plat for 128 Single Family
Lots
LOCATION: Northeast Corner of Pilot Knob Road & 140th Street
PETITIONER: Lundgren Bros. Construction, Inc. and Marvin & Janice
Schwanz (PC93- 025 -PZS)
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Associate Planner Meg McMonigal made a brief presentation regarding the
Comprehensive Plan Amendment and the Zoning Amendment that would provide for
additional housing diversity and an opportunity for the "move up" market. Further
discussion included the connection of Elkhart Road and Dublin Road and access points at
Pilot Knob and at 140th Street. The Pilot Knob and 140th Street access points would serve
as the primary accesses to this development. The development includes 128 lots and would
allow the Schwanz home to exist as an exception to the plat. The preliminary plat has been
drawn to show how the Schwan property could be divided at the time they decide to do so.
Discussion of the topography at the north end of this development was included in the
presentation. Because of the mature, heavy vegetation and steep topography, cul -de -sacs
were necessary to minimize the impact on both the trees and the future home sites. Also,
50 foot right -of -ways rather than 60 foot right -of -ways were requested to minimize the
number of trees that would be affected and to maximize the potential for roadways in these
areas of steep slopes. Furthermore, reduced setbacks of 25 feet (as opposed to 30 feet)
were requested.
The request for residential cluster zoning was explained. Under this zoning the lot
widths and setbacks can vary, allowing homes to be developed with the topography. The
developer stated that he worked with the Parks Department to determine how much land
would be required. The Staff stated that the Parks Department would like to connect the
existing neighborhoods with this neighborhood and link these areas with a path to the
existing Savanik Trail and Summerfield Park along the eastern side of this future
development. The Staff also stated that the developer is interested in a private park within
the development and concluded the park discussion by stating that 10% of the land area is
required for park and pond dedication and in this particular development, dedication would
be through both land and cash dedication.
Member Edgeton asked for clarification of a map used to demonstrate the
development layout, and the Staff clarified this.
Keith Gordon, City Engineer, presented information regarding the two locations for
sanitary sewer line installations and explained bow these installations would be made with
a short delay or detour of traffic routes. Gordon stated that the installation of the sewer
system would require a one -day delay on both Elkwood and Pilot Knob. In both cases these
delays or closures would be mitigated by detours that would allow traffic to continue with
minimal disturbance of neighborhoods and traffic patterns. Gordon also stated that the
water mains connect in three different places: Elkhart, Essex and Pilot Knob Road. Gordon
commented on the nature of the existing pond and stated that he did not feel that amenity
would have to be altered at all for the storm water purposes.
Chairman Felkner asked for clarification on the street closures. Gordon explained
that Elkwood is looped in a manner that would allow traffic to go either direction during
the short period that the road would be closed, a period of approximately one day. Gordon
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stated that Pilot Knob would be disturbed for a short period, but Everest would allow traffic
to go either direction during the delay.
Member Edgeton asked about the number of outlots and their purpose. Associate
Planner McMonigal stated that these would be used for entrance monuments, including a
brick feature denoting the development name, and landscaping. Member Edgeton asked
who will be responsible for maintenance of these outlots and how could the City make sure
that these were maintained properly. Brian Olson of Lundgren Bros. explained the purpose
and maintenance plan for the outlots. Olson stated that the outlots are typical of the
Lundgren developments, and that a homeowners association in another Lundgren
development has successfully taken on the responsibility of maintenance. Olson also stated
that signage and monuments were an important part of the outlots at the entrance points
to the development. The Developer was hoping for major signs at the entrance off 140th
Street and Pilot Knob. Olson stated that on outlots J and K from existing neighborhoods
a small sign would be used to identify the development as you enter.
Member Edgeton asked for clarification of how many signs the code requires.
Associate Planner McMonigal stated that one sign per development is what is allowed.
Brian Olson stated that he thought signs at the main entrance points were necessary, and
that they could give up the sign from the neighborhoods and also a sign that Lundgren Bros.
had hoped to put at the comer of 140th and Pilot Knob. McMonigal stated that to allow
two signs for this development, one of the signs would require a variance. Brian stated that
their entry signs are very subtle and tastefully designed.
Chairman Felkner suggested that Lundgren Bros. work with the Apple Valley
Planning Staff to design and provide better information about what type of sign package is
being proposed for this development.
Brian Olson stated that the 25 -foot setbacks mentioned earlier in the discussion were
also something that he would like to expand on, and stated that after further review and
discussion with his surveyor, additional setback variances would be required. Olson utilized
the development map to indicate the lot numbers where he thought other setback variances
would be required, The necessity of the variances is due to topography and vegetation,
which dictated the alignment of the roadways and would crowd the homes on the rear lot
lines if no variances were requested.
Olson continued by stating that the average lot size is 18,000 square feet, which is less
than two units per acre. In every case the lots exceed 11,000 square feet, the typical single
family lot size in Apple Valley.
Member Gowling asked what the price and size of these homes would be. Brian
explained that in the wooded areas the homes would exceed $200,000. In the southwest
corner, the homes would be less than $200,000.
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Member Edgeton asked about the triangular- shaped lots in the development and
questioned whether or not these lots would pose problems for homeowners who wanted to
add decks, porches, etc. in their rear yards in the future . Olson (through use of the map
on the overhead projector) explained the home orientation that they would suggest for these
lots to allow homeowners to later expand in the rear yard areas. Olson also explained that
one of the triangular- shaped lots has a berm across the rear yard along Pilot Knob. This
berm would limit the owner's ability to build in that rear yard triangular area, and therefore
may eliminate the potential for a problem on that lot.
Chairman Felkner asked Associate Planner McMonigal to look at the foot print
options of the homes and consider alternatives for decks, porches, and other additions prior
to the next Planning Commission meeting.
Member Churchill suggested that the builder furnish the buyer with the setbacks and
also help establish a building area so that they understand before they purchase the home
what their building options are. Member Edgeton concurred with Churchill and stated that
this problem generally does not come up until the owner or a new owner is in the home,
5 or 6 years after the development has been completed.
Chairman Felkner asked if the Developer has agreed to the public park in the upper
right hand corner of the development through park dedication, and also whether or not the
private park would serve as a portion of the development's park dedication requirements.
McMonigal explained that the Developer has agreed to the public park and that the private
park is not considered part of the park dedication requirements.
Brian Olson introduced Marvin and Janice Schwartz and Peter Mullenaro. The
Schwanz' are the property owners. Peter Mullenaro is the Engineer who has worked with
the Developer to establish the layout of this development.
Brent Mueller, who lives at the corner of Elkwood Drive and Elkhart Road in the
Farqhuar Hills Development, stated that he was concerned about the construction traffic
and asked that the developer minimize the construction traffic that uses Elkwood. Mueller
continued by stating that there are a number of small children in the Elkwood area, and he
felt that the truck traffic could be very hazardous to these children. Olson responded that
he would see what he could do to limit the traffic in the Farqhuar Development and also
stated that the best route for the construction traffic would be through the primary entrance
that will be opened with the initial phase of development off of 140th Street. This access
point would make it much easier than going through the Farqhuar Development.
Mueller also stated that he would prefer that they keep as much vegetation as
possible between his home and the path to the park. As his lot exists today, they look out
into an open undeveloped area. Chairman Felkner asked if the possibility of keeping this
vegetation is real. Olson responded that they would see what they could do in that area.
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Member Gowling asked if the Developer would be replacing the trees that were
taken out with new trees in that area to provide a buffer for these existing residences.
Olson explained the existing vegetation and the course of the path.
Chairman Felkner asked the Developer to talk to the Park Advisory Committee to
suggest that the path be laid out in a manner that would minimize its effect on the existing
residential area. Felkner also asked the Developer to consider methods of keeping the
development traffic out of the Elkwood area. Again, Brian Olson stated that he will do
what he can to keep the traffic out of that neighborhood.
Associate Planner McMonigal stated that the public streets were designed for this
traffic and that the city would not be able to limit traffic through the neighborhood.
Jeff Rasmussen, 13638 Elkwood Drive, stated that he is the first home past the vacant
lot north of this development. He is concerned about the traffic in Elkwood neighborhood.
Like Mueller, Rasmussen is concerned about the heavy equipment and the sharp turn where
Elkhart meets Elkwood. Rasmussen explained that the development at the north end of
Farqhuar Hills Development has led to 2 inches of mud on the streets, and he is concerned
about this condition throughout their development. Rasmussen also stated that he would
like to see a stop sign at the corner of Elkwood Drive and Elkhart. Associate Planner
McMonigal stated that this had been discussed by the Public Works Staff and was thought
to be an appropriate location for a stop sign. Brian Olson stated that he felt it would be
a good solution. He also reiterated that 140th Street would be the first entrance
constructed, and they would encourage truck traffic to use that entrance to the development.
Planner McMonigal asked Brian Olson to explain the phasing of the 128 lots. Olson
responded by stating that the development would be completed in four phases, and these
phases would be based on the balance of the earth work. The first phase would include a
portion of the new entrance created at 140th. Without knowing exact phasing, Olson stated
that the last phase of the development would be at the corner of 140th and Pilot Knob
Road.
Member Gowling asked if the Developer would clear the lots initially or wait for a
home buyer for clearing trees. Olson explained that they are interested in clearing only the
right -of -ways initially and in working with the homeowners and the city forester to allow a
placement of each home that would minimize the impacts on existing vegetation.
Member Edgeton asked what would happen if the Developer could not buy a portion
of the Tighes property at the northwest corner of this proposed development. Olson stated
that they hope to work out an agreement with the Tighes. He would like to purchase just
enough right -of -way to allow the street to be installed. In the event that no agreement can
be reached, the Commission asked Staff what would be the next step. Keith Gordon stated
that in a situation where a right -of -way is needed to complete an intersection and the
property owners are not in agreement, the City may have to exercise its condemnation
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authority. In this event the costs of that condemnation would be borne by the Developer,
not the City.
The public hearing was closed at this point.
5B. Schuller Addition - Preliminary Plat to Split an Existing Duplex
LOCATION: 8601 -03 - 135th Street West
PETITIONER: Richard Schuller (PC93- 027 -5)
Associate Planner Scott Hickok presented a report on the Schuller lot split which
would allow separate ownership of individual units in a duplex on 135th Street West in
Apple Valley. The City Code allows lot splits such as this with two conditions. First, each
unit must have its own sewer and water services. If this building does not have separate
sewer and water service, modifications would have to be made to meet the code
requirements. Second, and possibly more difficult to meet, is that of a one -hour fire wall
separation for each unit. Between the two separately owned units two one -hour fire walls
are required. Hickok stated that if these walls are not already separated and two one -hour
fire walls in place, this may be a very difficult structural modification to make. Hickok
concluded by stating that the petitioner is in the audience to answer any questions. The
petitioner requested action on this item if the Planning Commission was able to do so.
Chairman Felkner asked why we don't know if the fire walls exist. Scott Hickok
explained that it is very difficult in a finished structure to know what the construction inside
of the walls is. The two one -hour fire walls would go from the foundation to the attic. At
this point there was not an opening in the walls to allow the building staff to verify
construction details. Chairman Felkner asked if the builder would have that information.
Dennis Miranowski responded that the builder most likely would. He also stated that he
assumes that this structure was built with a single wall until otherwise proven.
Dick Schuller, who has owned this property since 1987, stated that he was unaware
of the separation wall requirement and that he would work with the Staff to determine
whether or not that separation existed. He also stated that separating the utilities would not
be difficult if necessary. The public hearing was closed.
MOTION Jeannine Churchill moved, seconded by Marcia Gowling to approve the
preliminary plat, conditioned on separation of the utilities if necessary, and also the
appropriate fire wall separation between the units. The motion passed unanimously.
6. LAND USE /ACTION ITEMS
A. Naverud - Rearyard Setback Variance for Porch Addition
LOCATION 15682 Heywood Court
PETITIONER Jay & Jan Naverud (PC93- 028 -V)
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Scott Hickok presented the Staff report which indicated a rearyard setback variance
was being requested at 15682 Heywood Court. This variance would allow a 12 -foot
deviation from the 30 -foot rearyard setback requirement. Hickok indicated that the Staff
looked for unique characteristics of the site that could be considered a hardship if the
owners were asked to build according to the prescribed setback. Hickok stated that the site
conditions were not unlike other sites, and that alternatives did exist which would allow the
screen porch to be built on the side of this residence as opposed to the rear of the
residence. Built on the side, this addition would not require a variance to the side or rear
yard. Due to the existence of this alternative, Hickok indicated that Staff was
recommending denial of a variance on this site.
Chairman Felkner asked if the deck was currently in place. Jay Naverud responded
that the deck is in place, although the deck is in need of repair and is being replaced by a
new deck and screened porch combination.
Jay Naverud of 15682 Heywood Court introduced himself and continued by stating
that the code is difficult to understand. He felt that the existence of a deck in the setback
area should not be considered different than the proposal of a screened porch which
included a roof. Naverud also stated that he has the smallest lot in the neighborhood and
that by moving the patio door to the side, as Staff suggested, for the side yard screen porch
construction, he would have an expensive set of modifications required on the interior of
the home. Naverud stated that the interior design is such that a large china cabinet would
have to be moved to another location, and that he did not have a location near the dining
area where it is needed.
Marcia Gowling asked if the applicant could move the deck. Paul Leland of Leland
Construction responded that this porch is being proposed at the gable end of the home,
which is not a bearing wall. If it were moved to the side, it would be a bearing wall and
would require additional structural modifications.
Member Edgeton stated that builders and buyers need to know where they can
expand porches and where they can build on a lot, and asked if there was a way of
indicating that when the lot is on the market.
Paul Leland stated that in this neighborhood, one neighbor has 35 feet for a rear
yard and the others have 40 feet or more. Leland felt that this condition is unique to the
Naverud site, and therefore justifies a variance.
Dennis Miranowski asked if they had considered a single door on the side of this
structure, going into the screened porch. Jay Naverud stated again that this would interfere
with the interior design of this home.
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Chairman Felkner reiterated the need for a hardship statement and asked Staff to
clarify why this is different than a deck in a rear or side yard. Scott Hickok stated that the
roof adds mass and makes the addition part of the principle living area of the structure.
Karen Edgeton asked if that is Apple Valley or State law. Scott Hickok responded
that in Apple Valley the setbacks are determined for additions by whether or not the
addition has a roof. He deferred to Dennis Miranowski for information on the State law.
Miranowski responded that the State building code says that an addition becomes part of
the living area of the structure when it includes a roof.
Chairman Felkner asked about a detached accessory building or porch. Scott Hickok
responded that a detached structure would be required to be 10' from the house, 5' from
the side or rear yard; if the structure exceeded 120 square feet, then 10' from the rear yard
and 5' from the side yard.
Marcia Gowling asked if this structure was a walkout. Jay Naverud responded
affirmatively. Gowling asked for clarification as to whether this portion of the home would
be flat across or whether it is up off the ground at this point. Naverud explained that the
proposed addition would come off from the walkout level, above grade.
Paul Leland stated once again that he felt there was a hardship created by the
original design of this lot.
Jeannine Churchill stated that there is ample space for other options on this site.
Jay Naverud stated that there are physical limitations on his lot and he feels a real
shortage of space. Alan Felkner stated that these type of requests are very difficult when
there is not a clear hardship to justify a variance. Jay Naverud asked if he could screen in
a walkway and asked for a smaller variance; for example, a 5 foot variance as opposed to
the original 12 foot variance request.
Alan Felkner suggested that the applicant take time and table this issue to discuss
alternatives that would require no variance, or at least a smaller variance than the original
request. The applicant agreed that would be a good solution. The item was tabled until
the applicant can come back with alternative porch designs.
6B. Wachter - Sideyard Accessory Building Variance
LOCATION: 7250 - 132nd Street West
PETITIONER: Steven L. Wachter (PC93- 030 -V)
Associate Planner Scott Hickok began by explaining the difference between this
accessory building variance request and the request just reviewed by the Planning
Commission. In the Wachter proposal, a greenhouse addition was proposed. This addition
functions much like a freestanding accessory building, although it has a covered walkway
from the existing garage to the accessory building. The dimension of the building itself is
432 square feet. The City Code requires that a building of this type be 10 feet from the
principle dwelling unit and 10 feet from the sideyard. The applicant has indicated that this
accessory building will be 10 feet from the sideyard and 10 feet from the home. Initially
Staff suggested rearyard locations and then reviewed the physical characteristics while
visiting the site. It was the Staff's opinion after walking the site that there is indeed a
hardship caused by existing native vegetation such as large trees along the south, east and
west lot lines of the home, and also much landscape that had been planted by the owners
over the past years. Because of this landscape there is not an open area appropriate for a
building of this size that would allow sunlight for a greenhouse to function properly.
Member Edgeton asked the purpose of the covered walkway. Steven Wachter, owner
of the property, responded that this cover would allow for moving plants back and forth
between the garage and the accessory building with a cover overhead, and would also allow
the building to work aesthetically with the existing roof lines. Wachter pointed out that the
greenhouse has a steeper pitched roof, but also pointed to the elevation of the home and
proposed greenhouse to show that the roof lines are very similar and that the design works
well aesthetically.
MOTION: Marcia Gowling moved, seconded by Karen Edgeton, for approval. The
motion passed unanimously.
8. OTHER BUSINESS
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9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 9:20 p.m.
Jeannine Churchill stated that she would not be able to attend the June 2nd Planning
Commission meeting.
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