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HomeMy WebLinkAbout02/17/1988CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES February 17 1988 Minutes of the meeting'of the Apple Valley Planning Commission held Wednesday, February 17, 1988, at 7:30 p.m. at the Apple Valley City Hall. PRESENT: Chairperson Robert Erickson; Commission Members'Alan Felkner Marcia Gowling, Frank Kleckner, Phillip Peterson Virginia Sterling; Staff Members Rick Kelley, Meg McMonigal, Keith Gordon; nine members of the public. ASSENT: Richard Carlson. 1. Chairperson Erickson called the meeting to order at 7 :35 p.m. 2. Approval of Agenda.' MOTION: of Felkner, seconded by Sterling to approve the agenda as presented. AGENDA VOTE: Yes, 4; No, 0. (Please note arrival of Peterson and Kleckner at 7 :34 p.m. 3. Approval of Minutes'of February 3, 1988. MOTIONr of Felkner, seconded by Gowling, to approve the Minutes of February 3, 1988, as presented. MINUTE. FEB- i2$8 4. Public Hearing for Preliminary Plat for Offico/Showroom/Warehouse. LOCATION,. South side of 0. R. 042, between Galaxie and Foliage Avenues. PETITIONER :' C & D Properties. PH,P1iE Chair Erickson opened the Public Searing with the standard opening OFT, F remarks. Mr. Kelley presented the preliminary plat which was OFFICE configured into 3 lots and 1 outlot. This configuration repre- ARE-oM W sents a layout for a different project on the property which the WARE, HOUSE City denied in 1987. The plat should be reconfigured to contain only 1 lot and no outlot. There should be no problem with this reconfiguration requirement... No one from the public wished to speak to this hearing; Chair Erickson closed with the standard closing remarks. 5 4 Public Maring for Preliminary Plat -- Diamond Path 12th Addition. LOCATION Northwest of Embassy Ave. and Embry Path. PH, PP. PETITIONER Wensmann Homes, Inc. PLAT Chair Erickson opened the Public Hearing with the standard DIAMON opening remarks. Meg McMonigal presented the petition for a PATH preliminary plat for 18 townhome lots called the Diamond Path 12th 12th Addition of three 4 -unit and one 6 -unit structure(s). The area ADD. of the plat is 2.8 acres, making the units per acre 6.4, higher than the maximum of 6 required by the zoning. An adjacent area, Outlet H, to the west could be added to the plat which would make the area less than 6 units per acre. The petitioner has agreed to include this outlot as part of the plat; another public hearing will be required for this replatting. Mr. Gordon commented that sanitary sewer, water, and storm sewer utilities are in place along Embassy Ave. and are sufficient to accommodate this proposed development. Mr. Feklner was told that after outlot H were PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES February 17, 9988 Page 2 included in the plat, the proposed buildings would not be rearranged. This area extends all the way to Pilot Knob Road and would become common, open_ area. Ms. Sterling was told Staff wishes to have Outlet H included in the plat and clearly designated for common open -space area, The units will be kept on the plat as planned. Mr. Kleckner wac told all street setbacks are met. Ms. Gowling was given an explanation as to why Outlot H has been left up to the present time (`just the remainder from other development around this land). Mr. Peterson was told that the required 25 minimum setback from the lot lines are met. Mr. Felkner was concerned about whether adequate parking was provided for with the answer being there are 2 -car garages and 2 car spaces in front for each unit with additional spaces for overflow parking. Ms. Cowling expressed concern over the persons living in the single- famil3 units across the street from this proposal and wondered if the 6 -unit building should be reduced to a 4 -unit building. Mr. Kleckner indicated that since Cutlet H will be added, the area would be below the allowed zoning density and that the project as planned appears to be feasible. The petitioner indicated that Cutlet H would be a common area for Diamond Path 5th Addition and Emerald Point along with this proposed Diamond Path 12th Addition. Mr. Kelley indicated that the entire Cutlet should be included in some plat (speficifally, DP 12th) and deeded to this for ownership gposes with the other two projects having easement rights to this Cutlet H. This would not present a problem for the developer. Units will begin in the $7O's and will be similar to the units in Diamond Path 5th (cedar snd brick). Speaking from the public: 1. Mr. Bruce Thompson, 5346 Emerald stay, AV expressed concern over the water problem (he experienced 8 1 of water in his basement as a resull of last summerls 4 11 +rain storm)and wondered about the plans for solving this problem and water problems of this proposed development. Mr. Gordon indicated they are aware of the problem and will work to make sure the strom sewer is sized adequately. Mr. Thompson indi- cated he is in favor of the project but is concerned about run off. He would like to see the gravel pit which is presently dry left and the green space slopped in order to alleviate the potential water run -off problem. The petitioner indicated they are working with the idea of using the gravel pit for water control. Chair Erickson requested that Mr. Gordon share the research he does regarding this problem with his plans for eliminating the concern with the Planning Commission. 2. Mr. Tom Kjos, 5361 Upper 14Jth St. W., AV: is a resident of DP 5th S indicated he believed this/ ou e a virtual duplication of the 5th Addition with units that start well into the $90 The area is composed of four distinct types of properties which have been bounded by the streets and this proposal represents changes in visual appearance and value. If this were slightly less dense, it would approach the 5th Addition in value and appearance. The petitioner indicated he did not know if the difference would be that great between the present units in the $90's and those starting in the $70 once the amenities are added. The petitioner also feels once could definitely define the two areas. Mr.Kjos indicated he wished the two areas would be close from a visual point of view. Mr. Kleckner and Chair Erickson both complimented Mr. Hensmann on the good projects the company has completed in the past. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES February 17, 1988 Page 3 3. Mr. Ed Brunkhorst, 5377 Upper 14'7 St. w3 AV; indicated that is President of the Diamond Math 5th Addition Homeowners Assoc. and they have no problem with the townhouses, but the Board has concern over the size and value of these homes within the area. Their units are 1400to 1500+ sq. ft and to propose units of 1100 sq. ft, causes concern over the trend that smaller units tend to be on the market about every three years. Eventually these could become rental units, The Board also feels there should be a cul de sac at the end of the project and that Outlot H could become an attractive nuisance (active use by children) with persons desiring to install play equipment; if any mishaps were to occur to the children, the Association would not want to be open to litigation. There should be some deliniation between the 5th and 12th additions. 4. Fos. June Lake, 53£1 Upper 147th St., Td, AVr indicated her concern over another association owning it and therefore doing exactly what they would wish with it. Mr. Wensmann indicated the members of the three associations would get together and determine the use of Outlot H before any ownership is granted. She indicated the people in the area felt it would be left as just pretty open space. Already there is a problem with school children using it as a part of their walknag to school. Chair rrickson pointed out that easements can include all types of conditions (restrictions, etc.). It was pointed out that all three associations must agree on its use. Mr. Wensmann will bring back sketches of the proposed housin and plans used in the homes to the south and west of this project. Mr. Thompson indicated he would like to see the homes about 481 from the street.. This proposal will require another public hearing which will probably occur during the second meeting in March. Chair Erickson closed the Public Hearing with the standard closing remarks. 6. Sign Variance Request for the Minnesota Zoo Entrance. LOCATION Northeast corner of T. H. #77 and the Zoo entrance. SIGN b PETITIONER Minnesota Zoo. REQUE: MN. Z( Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for a sign variance for ENTRAP an entrance sign for the Minnesota Zoo (306 sq. ft, however, the copy area of the sign is only 13 sq. ft.; ground signs are allowed to be a maximum of 8 1 tall with the proposed sign being 15 tall.). Permission from the MN .DOT would be required to place this sign on their right -of -way (set back 20 from the curb). The sign must not block the sight distance to the access point of the adjacent property which is 125 north of T. H. §77. Staff feels this proposed sign is okay and the conditions for granting a sign variance would be warranted. Discussion ensued as to sight lines, an explanation of how the sign would be constructed and lighted was given, and it was felt that this proposed sign is appropriate and in good taste. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES February 17, 1988 Page 4 MOTIONr of Gowling, seconded by Kleckner, to recommend that the sign variance for an entrance sign to the Minnesota Zoo be approved, with the condition that written permission from MN Dot is obtained by the MN Zoo, and a copy is forwarded to the City. VOTE: Yee, 6; No O. 7. Distribute Capital Improvements Plan. Mr. Kelley indicated that department heads have proposed CAPITA projects of a minimum cost of $10,000.00 over the next IMPROVE five -year period and they will be looking for approval of PLAN those deemed most important. These should be presented to the Planning Commission. MOTION: of Sterling,, seconded by Gowling, directing Staff to present the capital improvements programs at the March 16, 1988 Planning Commission Meeting. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, O. 8. Other Items. There will be a joint informational meeting with the City Council, Chamber of Commerce, County representative, etc. for members of the Planning Commission and another meeting with the City Administrator regarding committee structures and how the Committees relate to City Council in the near future. Planning Commission members indicated their like of the us6:of the overhead projector. g. Adjourn. . MOTION: of Felkner, seconded by Sterling, to adjourn, the meeting at 8:55 p.m. VOTE.- Yes, 6; No O. APPROVED SECRETARY