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HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/18/1988CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 18, 1988 Minutes of the meeting of the Apple Valley Planning Commission held Wednesday, May 18, 1988, at 7:30 p.m. at the Apple Valley City Hall. PRESENT: Chairperson Robert Erickson; Commission Members Richard Carlson, Alan Felkner, Marcia Cowling, Frank Kleckner, Phillip Peterson (7:38 arrival) Virginia Sterling; Staff Members Dennis Welsch, Rick Kelley, Meg::McMonigal, Keith Gordon; twelve members of the public. ABSENT: No one. 1. Chairperson Erickson called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. 2. Approval of Agenda. MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Sterling, to approve the agenda as AGENDA presented. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 3. Minutes of May 4, 1988. MINUTES Please note the following corrections: 1 Page 1, Item 3, last sentedce - -a copy of the Memo from Mr. Melena to th lit > 19E Council (not the City Council Minutes). Page 3, last line, This Public Hearing was closed by Chair Erickson (not continue( MOTION: of .,Carlson, seconded by Sterling, to approve the mintues as corrected. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 4. Public Hearing for Park Hill -- Single Family Development. LOCATION South of Farquhar Park on Elkwood Drive and Dominica PH PARK HII Way. PETITIONER George Houston. Chair.Erickson opened the Public Hearing with the standard opening remarks. This proposal was presented by Ms. McMonigal who explained that the property: would have to be rezoned for single family residential (8 lots). The topography of the site is severe, and the City would like to know where the homes will be located so the hill can be preserved as much as possible. Mr. Houston indicated this proposal for eight single - family lots was a conversion from a townhouse plan previously presented Each house will be designed for a specific lot; each survey will be reviewed and the City will determine if the elevations are a problem so as to preserve the hill:as much as possible. Mr. Houston indicated that he has no problem with granting an additional easement which will be required for utilities. Speaking from the Public: Mr. Rick Everton, 13445 Elkwood Drive- -said that he lives just across the street and prefers single family lots around Elkwood Drive. He questioned whether there are plans to continue Elkhart Road so as to provide an additonal access to this area and was told by Mr. Kelley that the owner of the eighty acres south of this property does not plans to develop, this piece. The inter is to have the road connect to 140th St. when this property to the south is developed. Ms. Sterling was told Lot 1 will not become too small with the additional easement requirement and the eventual widening of Pilot Knob Road. Chair Erickson closed the Public Hearing with the standard closing remarks. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 18, 1988 Page 2 5. 'Public Hearing for Comprehensive Plan Amdendment for Carrollton 5th Addition. LOCATION Between Haven Drive and C. R. #42, West of 147th St. PETITIONER Carrollton Development, Inc. PH, COMP PLAN AMEND. CARROLLTON 5th ADD. Chair Erickson opened the Public Hearing with the standard opening remarks with Mr. Kelly then presenting the proposed land use changes associated with Carrollton Estates 5th Addition. Chair Erickson indicated that after reading the article in "The Countryside" announcing the construction of an armory in Rose- mount, he called General Cox's office and was told the National Guard is truly looking for a second site. Based upon this and the input from... Staff, Mr. Erickson said that he feels the idea of an armory at the proposed location is more palatable, but he is very concerned about the request for LB /RB. He suggested that LB /DIV woul be appropriate. If the armory were not to materialize, this area would be restricts to some type of institutional use. Mr. Carlson indicated that he had not changed his opinion about the requested LB /RB. Mr. Peterson said that since the border of the requested LB /RB runs down the center of the tree line to the west and north this would adequately insulate this area from the single- family homes; also, it is right across the street from SC /RB. Chair Erickson reiterated his concern over the strip zoning that could result along Cedar Ave. and C. R. #42. Mr. Carlson said that there should be a defined area as to where this type of zoning would stop. He feels this would be an acceptable area for multiple. Mr. Erickson indicated there is a definite need for multiple housing within the City, and he would like to understand where it is going to be placed. Mr. Kleckner felt some flexibility should be given to the developer; perhaps there could be some typ6 of business use along with a multiple residential use to see what is best for him. Mr. Kleckner commented that everything he has heard indicates that the armory would be like a school, and people do not mind living next to a school. There would be adequate (sizable) separation between the actual building and where Outlot B is -- it could be left as originally planned for multiple residential 8+ units per acre. Mr. Felkner said that the designated downtown area is WIDE OPEN, and we do not have to let new businesses CREEP OUT OF THE CITY. Ms. Gowling wondered if a low- profile business would be more aesthetically pleasing than a high -rise apartment building. Mr. Winkler feels that with the widening of C. R. #42, this area lends itself to commercial uses. The armory will certainly be an intense use because of being available for functions seven days per week. The fire station is an intense use, and he feels commercial uses on this property would be more compatible. No one wou: want to live so near these intensely used facilities. Mr. Kleckner felt that Mr. Winkler's comments were logical and that perhaps some type of business zoning and some option for multiple and /or some type of limited business to give the developer some options to work with. Apartments could have more land coverage than some type of business. Mr. Carlson commented WHERE DO WE STOP? Mr. Winkler's comment- -the tree line. No one from the Public wished to speak. A comment was made that in the past this area has been suggested as a good site for cAni nr ritizen hnnnin9_ PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 18, 1988 Page 3 Chair Erickson closed the Public Hearing with the standard closing remarks. This item will be explored at the meeting with the City Council on May 19; therefore the following motion was made: MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Felkner, to TABLE this item until the next Planning Commission Fleeting in order to explore the topic during the May 19, 1988 meeting with the City Council. VOTE: Yes, 5 (Erickson, Felkner, Carlson, Sterling, Cowling) No, 2 (Kleckner, Peterson). Mr. Winkler commented that he needs to know. It was explained that the size of the pond in the 4th . Addition does not need to be determined at this time; the needed easements can be acquired under an earlier agreement (supplementary agreement to the development). 6. Consideration of Rezoning and Preliminary Plat for Carrollton 5th. LOCATION Between .Haven Dr. and C. R. #42, West of 147th St. REZ. /PREL. PETITIONER: Carrollton Development, Inc. PLAT- - CARROLLTON MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Felkner, to TABLE consideration of this item until the June 1 Planning Commission Meeting. VOTE: Yes, 5 (Erickson, Felkner, Carlson, Sterling, Cowling) No, 2 (Kleckner, Peterson). 7. Site Plan Review for Bus Garage. LOCATION North Star Industrial Park, 148th St. & Johnny Cake SITE PLAN E Ridge Rd. BUS GARAGE PETITIONER American Transportation. Mr. Kelley presented the request for building permit authorization for a school bus garage. The petitioner indicated that they would eliminate the request for motor. fuel pumps. This would be just a garage storage area for busses - - -no major repairs would be done in the shop area, just general maintenance. Mr. Mark Lindell. representative for American Transportation, commented that with the changes in them request they were seeking approval in order to apply for a Building Permit and variance for a wider curb cut. Twenty busses will fit in the garage; no busses wit= be parked. outside. Ms. Gowling questioned the request for metal panels on the east die of the building with Mr. Lindell commenting that this portion of the building would face Schwan's Ice Cream which is all metal and also.that portion of the building would not be visible to passersby. Ms. Cowling felt it would be better if metal were not used. Councilmember Humphrey commented that he did not feel metal is an appropriate building material in Apple Valley any more. Mr. Lindell said that the same theme could be carried around the building. The portion of the property remaining unused with this proposal .. may in the future house an additional bus storage facility; the same driveway access would be used. The owner indicated that in the future he will not request permission for gas pumps An explanation for the request for a 75' curb cut was that the building is 75' wide where the busses will be stored with the last door being 5' from the curb; therefore, a width of 75' is needed to make the turn. Discussion followed as to the building material with the petitioner indicating .__ __ — .__ ____ __ __ — I_ nc ------------ ------ _4. 1. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 18, 1988 Page 4 almost the same finish (12" stone -like block). Chair Erickson indicated that it is a little unusual to have a 75' cut and the petitioner indicated that additional landscaping will be done to minimize the impact of this; he will plant the same species of trees already along the boulevard and add additional landscaping materials. MOTION: of Kleckner, seconded by Gowling,.:to recommend approval of the Building Permit Authorization for a school bus garage with the following four stipulations: 1. absolutely no motor fuel pumps will be allowed.; 2. a 75' curb cut will be allowed; 3. landscaping plans approved by Staff; 4. the exterior building material will be consistent throughout the exterior of the building as is included on the front. The owner of American Transportation gave a brief history of his company and the services it provides. He said that the busses would be out during the day in an L shaped maintenance area and in the garage at night (perhaps there could be some exceptions when a bus is returned at a very late hour constituting a need for being left outside). A PERMANENT BITUMINOUS PAVING WITH CONCRETE CURB is required in an area for just day parking; THIS WILL BE SPECIFIED IN THE PLAN. The owner said that they would brick veneer the building if required to do so. AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION: as suggested by Carlson that brick facing or the same material used at the City garage or rake precast block be required; no metal would be allowed. VOTE: on the MOTION AS AMENDED: Yes, 7; No, 0. It was suggested that the specific material be brought to the City Council meeting. The Commission recessed for ten minutes. 8. Sketch Plan for Palomino Ridge Townhomes. LOCATION Between Pennock and Cedar Ave., south of Zoo Rd. SKETCH PLAN PETITIONER St. Croix Development, Inc. & Wellington Management, Inc. PALOMINO RIDGE TOWN - Mr. Kelley presented the revised,--sketch plan review for rental HOMES townhouse project.. The changes in the plan were explained by Mr. Kelley and included reducing the number of dwelling units on the south site from 92 to 84 and utilizing a doubled cul -de -sac design, elimination of the pond, elimination of the eastern access to Pennock Ave. due to sight distance problems, et The petitioner indicated they have added a number of garages to the overall plan and are allowing for a 3 -1 parking ratio.-on the northern. <:_site_and:3z -1 on the southern site. All units in the interior buildings have double garages, with each end unit on the other buildings having a standard double garage. There are .about sixteen units with single garages. Chair Erickson complimented the developer for working so well with Staff to accommodate the needed changes with Mr. Kleckner concurring. 9. Sketch Plan for Fenner /Brown Single Family Development. LOCATION East of Galaxie Ave., north of the Zoo Road. PETITIONER: LaVerne Fenner. Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for Sketch Plan Review for a single family development consisting of 12 lots. The cul de sac needed SKETCH PLAT FENNER /BROY SINGLE FAM7 DEVELOPMENT PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 18, 1988 Page 5 will be 900 to 1,000 feet in length. Access to the property will be via 129th Street Court and Foliage Ave. Chair Erickson asked if this were the way the City intended to access this property and was told YES. Mr. Erickson expressed the concern that a non - standard condition would be created at the request of the City. There is really no alternate access to the site. It was suggested that the plat be modified to allow maximum access for each lot on the cul de sac. Lot 3, if platted as one lot, could be subdivided later into two lots and adequate road access onto the cul de sac would be provided. The petitioner will work with Staff as to the best layout of the lots. 10. Site Plan Review and Building Permit Authorization for First Federal Savings & Loan. LOCATION On Cedar Ave., North of Current Building. PETITIONER First Federal Savings & Loan. aitn rLRA REVS /BLDG PERMIT AUTF Ms. McMonigal presented the Site Plan Review for First Federal FIRST FED. Savings and Loan. The building is shown as concrete block, but SAVINGS & may be revised to brick. The amount of stacking space for the LOAN drive up area awas discussed, and it was suggested that the drive -up be moved to the south side of the building so the cars could stack up around the building versus backing out on to the street. There is room on site for the 3 required additional parking spaces. The petitioner indicated that he would rather see the cars between the building and Cedar Ave. than backing out to Glazier; eventually there could be three lanes for the drive -up which could accommodate 6 vehicles back and still have room to get into the parking area. He could see no real benefit to opening up parking on the south side of the building and joining up with Caldwell Banker. Staff indicated that if the petitioner is reasonably certain stacking will not be a problem, they are comfortab] with keeping the plan as presented.The driveway location could be moved further sout The petitioner indicated the exterio will be brick. MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Peterson, to recommend approval of the Building Permit in accordance with the plan presented on May 18, 1988, including a brick exterior with the possible location of the driveway to be moved further south and pending resolution of stacking- -this to be worked out with Staff. VOTE: Yes, 7; No, 0. 11. Update on Transit Study. UPDATE ON Mr. Kelley reviewed his memo regarding the Metropolitan Transit TRANSIT Commission Opt -Out. Two members of the community were present: STUDY One indicated thfft Nq Aft and feels quite an adequate service is provided. Chair Erickson shared the fact that he has heard complaints about the east /west service. The second person indicated that he had done a transit study for Anoka County in 1972 and shared a copy of this study with Mr. Kelley. This item will be a continued topic for discussion. 12. Continuation of Public Hearing for Capital Improvements Plan. MOTION: of Felkner, seconded by Carlson to continue the Public Hearing for the Capital Improvements Plan. VOTE: Yes, 7; No, 0. CAPITAL IMP P LAN PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES May 18, 1988 Page 6 13. Other Items. a. Chair Erickson expressed his THANKS to Mr. Welsch for his excellent work on the gravel issue. b. Information on the Planning Seminar attended by Ms. McMonigal was distributed by her; she also gave an informative synopsis of her conference. c. Joint meetings with Planning Commissions of surrounding communities would be beneficial. d. Future meeting dates: June 1 June 15 July 20 August 17 Work on the Comprehensive Plan revisions will begin soon;the Commission could decide to meet at 6:30 p.m. then onto the regular Planning Commission Meetin at 7:30 p.m. e. Mr. Welsh gave an update on City Council actions. f. The Planning Commission is encouraged to become involved with the Chamber of Commerce. 14. Adjourn. MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Cowling, to adjourn the meeting at 10:35 p.m. APPROVED SECRETARY