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Home My WebLink About08/05/1987CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES August 5, 1987 Minutes of the meeting of the Apple Valley Planning Commission held Wednesday, August 5, 1987, at 7:30 p.m. at the Apple Valley City Hall. PRESENT- Chairperson Robert Erickson; Commission Members Richard Carlson, Marcia Gowling, Frank Kleckner, Virginia Sterling, Arleigh Thorberg; Staff Members Rick Kelley,Meg McMonigal; four members of the public. ABSENT: Phillip Peterson. 1. Chairperson Erickson called the meeting to order at 7:32 p.m. 2. Approval of Agenda. Mr. Kelley reported that Item 6, Sign Variance Request, will not be AGENDA pursued by the Petitioner and that Item 5 should not include Public Hearing (just consideration of Preliminary Plat, Valley Meadows). MOTION: of Thorberg, seconded by Sterling, to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting as amended. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 3. Approval of Minutes of July 15, 1987• Ms. Sterling noted that on Page 2, line 10, second paragraph of MINUTES Item 5, the word building should be builder. JULY 15 1987 MOTION; of Carlson, seconded by Thorberg, to approve the minutes:of July 15, 1987, as corrected. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 4. CONSIDERATION of Preliminary Plat for Building Block Day Care Center. PREL PL LOCATION Between Pennock Ave. and Cedar Ave., North of the BUILDIN Zoo Rd. BLOCK PETITIONER Waterford Development Group. DAY CAR CENTER Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for consideration of Prliminary Plat for a Building Block Daycare Center. She indicated that currently Staff is studying parking requirements in the City and it seems more parking is needed for most buildings. The daycare center across from City Hall was cited as an example of additional parking needed at a facility. The Petitioner has indicated 16 spaces on the plat (code requires 14 spaces) with the intention to increase the number of spaces by 4 to 20; six more spaces could be added if needed in the future. Chair Erickson thanked the Petitioner for working with Staff to increase the number of spaces to 20. Mr. Kleckner commented on the experience he had indicating parking as always being a problem and he wondered if it would be more economical to add the addition six spaces right away with the Petitioner indicating that they had agreed to increase parking to 20 and he does not see that the additional spaces would be needed at all. Where these 6 spaces would go if need be is in an area that is needed at this time for playground equipment.He feels confident that 20 spaces will be adequate and there won't be a need for additional spaces. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES August 5, 1987 Page 2 MOTION: of Sterling, seconded by Thorberg, to recommend approval of the Preliminary Plat for a Building Block Daycare Center. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. MOTION: of Thorberg, seconded by Gowling, to recommend authorization of the Building Permit for a Building Block Daycare Center. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 5. Consideration of Preliminary Plat -- Valley Meadows. LOC East Side of Garden View Drive, South of Heywood Path. PREL PL PETITIONER: American Heartland Homes. VALLEY -� MEADOWS Mr. Kelley presented the petition for consideration of a preliminary plat to subdivide property into townhomes lots (32 proposed dwelling units). The variances and setbacks required were reviewed by Mr. Kelley. Heywood Path would essentially serve just the residents of the development. Chair Erickson agreed with the statement made by Mr. Carlson that their biggest concern was the setbacks in Timberwick 4th addition which the developer has taken care of by indicating earthern berms. Ms. Gowling complimented the developer's conceeding to the wishes of the residents regarding berms. The pipeline companies are requesting "No Parking" on their easements. Lot 6, Block 3 will provide parking for 4 -5 vehicles. M I MTION; of Sterling, seconded by Thorberg, recommending that the Preliminary Plat of Valley Meadows be approved subject to the required approval of the pipeline companies, that as many parking spaces be provided in Lot 6, Block 3 as possible, and that the berms be included as agreed to by the Petitioner. DISCUSSION: Mr. Carlson indicated that it should be recognized that as a result of the difficulty in working with the pipeline easements and the unique design of the parcel the variances as listed on the Preliminary Plat are included in this recommendation. Ms. Sterling agreed to the inclusion of the statement by Mr. Carlson. VOTE: on the amended motion: YES, 6; No, 0. MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Gowling, to recommend the issuance of the Building Permit for Valley Meadows. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 6. Sign Variance Request. This Item is deleted at the request of the Petitioner, Wilroy Company, Inc. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES August 5, 1987 Page 3 7. Sketch Plan Review for Lot Split. L OCATION : Northeast Corner of C. R. #42 and Cedar Ave. (Skipper's SKETCH PETITIONER Hillstrom & Bale, LTD. Lot.) PLAN RE LOT SPL Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for Sketch Plan Review for Lot Split to subdivide the parcel into 2 lots in order to sell one lot to Skipper's Restaurant. One variance would be to the subdivision requirements which require that all lots abut a public street and another variance would be to the zoning requirements that every lot in the district be a minimum of 100 feet wide. The division into two lots would leave Skipper's restaurant without any frontage to Garrett. The Petitioner indicated their original intent after purchasing the property was to build and they still hope to - -he cited the history and problems of the last while prompting them to take a different approach. Their intent would be a 5,000 square foot building with 80+ parking stalls (probably a franchise agreement Mr. Carlson expressed his concerns about what their intentions are all along this area; this was a large parcel set for development and now we are looking at the question of granting variances and making the lots smaller. Chair Erickson indicated he shares the concern of Mr. Carlson, but logically the parcel is split. A large developer was precluded from coming in when Skipper's was allowed. Mr. Kelley indicated the City would be coming closer to guaranteeing two separate owners with two lots if it were split; a cross - easement for circulation, not a curb, would be needed. The Petitioner indicated that in 10 -15 years this could once again become one lot. The matter of a "flag lot" was discussed with Mr. Kell indicating this technically could not be since the strip of land would be much lea than the required 100' width. Mr. Kleckner indicated it would be easier for him to decide if there were a definite proposal for that piece of land. Ms. Sterling indicated that as long as this parcel is under the control of one ownerAffa be more control regarding traffic (there is presently a nice flow of traffic)and she is concerned that if a building comes in and doesn't need as much parking then the traffic from Skipper's going through their small parking lot could cause problems. Chair Erickson indicated he would like to accommodate the petitioner but does not want to create a problem that will "haunt" the Commission. The lawyer present shared some legal realities with the Commission -- Skipper's has Tract 1 for up to 35 years (5 yr. renewal)and that if someone else bought the parcel the same request would be made. Mr. Kelley indicated that cross - parking easements could pretty well guarantee proper traffic flow and that the Commission would act on the decision for development thus granting development in the way deemed best. The City would be named as party to easements thus giving the City legal control. Mr. Erickson indicated that as long as this doesn't present a problem for the City this could be a way to resolve the concern; he would appre- ciate an opinion from the City Attorney as to whether this would be a viable solut or could the City be opening themselves to problems. Mr. Carlson indicated he has problems with subdiving because of the conditions stated by the Petitioner. Ms. Sterling indicated she prefers one owner and agrees she would rather see easements than two flag lots, but she doesn't like the easements. Mr. Thorberg indicated he does not feel there would be a problem with the requests. The Petitioner indicated he would work with Staff and try for a resolution to the problem. Mr. Kelley indicated if an easement and lease situation with the City were the solution, a surveyor would be involved in the final plat form. PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES August 5, 1987 Page 4 8. Other Items. a. Informal Work Session, August 12, Mr. John Shardlow to be present to discuss Sand & Gravel Operations. b. Central Commercial Area Planning Study - -Ms. McMonigal indicated that this contains the same recommendations as made one year ago and that Commission Members may wish to study this at their leisure. 9. Adjourn. MOTION: of Kleckner, seconded by Carlson, to adjourn the meeting at 9 P.M. Votez Yes, 6; No, 0. In APPROVED _ _ �, SECRETARY