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PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES
May 6, 1987
Minutes of the meeting of the Apple Valley Planning Commission held Wednesday,
May 6, 1987, at 7:30 p.m. at the Apple Valley City Hall.
PRESENT: Vice - Chairperson Arleigh Thorberg; Commission Members Richard Carlson,
Marcia Cowling, Frank Kleckner, Virginia Sterling, Phillip Peterson;.
Staff members Rick Kelley, Meg McMonigal, Keith Gordon; 32 members of
the public.
ABSENT: Chairperson Robert Erickson.
1. Vice - Chairperson Throberg called the meeting to order at 7:43 p.m.
2. Approval of Agenda.
Mr. Kelley reported that Item 12, Consideration of Rezoning and Preliminary
Plat, Apple Ponds, should be deleted at the request of the Petitioner and
this item would appear on a future agenda.
MOTION: of Carlson,seconded by Sterling, to approve the agenda as amended.
VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. AGENDA
3. Minutes of April 15, 1987.
MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Sterling, to approve the minutes of
April 15, 1987, as presented. MINUTES
VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0; Abstain, 1 (Peterson). April 15,198
4. Public Hearing for Rezoning from R -IC to M -2 & Preliminary Plat- -
Crestview Forest Townhomes. PH, REZONING
LOCATION Between Palomino Drive and Future County Road 1138, West o£ FROM R -1C to
M -2 & PREL.
Garden View Drive. PLAT
PETITIONER: Vista Development.
Vice -Chair Thorberg opened the public hearing with the standard opening remarks.
Mr. Kelley presented the petition for a rezoning to M -2 and preliminary for a
142 -unit townhouse residential development. The petitioner indicated that the
plan is to save as many trees as possible, the units will be in the $90- 150,000
price range and they will be custom built. Mr. Gordon commented that because of
two homes which sit back in the woods, future CR 1138 will come atop the ridge
so that the homes will be closer thus access from this project will be via
Palomino Drive. The denisty will be 6 units per acre.
Speaking from the Public:
1. Mr. James Mattacola, 8605 Hunters Way, AV: questioned the access as indicated
because of an additional visual problem that will be created. He indicated that
many accidents occur at the intersection of Garden View and Palomino and with
another access, the problem will no not increase. He requested that traffic '
control options be considered, that the price range seems exaggerated for town -
homes, and that a family of great horned owls is now living in those woods - -has
an environmental impact study been made of this area and requested that one be
initiated.
2. Mr. Jon Vranicar, 8549 Palomino Drive, AV: indicated he felt there is no way
this development will help the area -- it is zoned single - family residential and
he purchased his property with this in mind; there is no reason for this type of
development in this particular area. He indicated the heavy traffic along Palomino
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and wondered why there would be two accesses onto Palomino thus increasing the
already -high accident potential. If this project is allowed, he would find this
approval very "distrustful" since the area is zoned single - family residential
and he was told this when purchasing his home specifically in this area.
3. Mr. Harry Ashbridge, 8501 W. 133 St., AV: wished to echo the remarks that had
just been made - -when he built in 1979, he was assured by the City that the zoning
was for single - family residential and he would like for it to remain that way.
He moved from a towm home and would like to stay from town homes. Their property
values would decline. He would like to see the area remain for nice single - family
homes.
4. Mr. James Ebel, 8497 133rd St., AV: indicated he lives directly across from the
proposed project and would also like to echo statements previously made. When he
purchased, he thought this would be a single- family residential neighborhood. The
value of their property would decline.
5. Mr. John Marwede, 8733 Highwood Way, AV: represented 135 voting persons of the
Hunter's Wood Homeowners Association. He indicated their organization feels the
area should remain single - family residential; it is zoned single - family and they
see absolutely no reason why this should not remain single family and bring
comparable housing in the area requested. To change the zoning would devaluate
the homes already in the area.
6. Ms. Peggy Story, 8577 Palomino Drive, AV: indicated she purchased her lot deli-
berately in an area zoned single - family residential. She could only build 30'
away from Palomino Drive and is alreay expering a lot of traffic. To approve this
type of project would be detrimental °in terms of increased traffic and multiple
housing in a single - family housing area.
Mr. Carlson questioned the petitioner as to his reason for the change in zoning with
the petitioner indicating they felt townhomes in that area would be the best use for
the land. Because of the heavy traffic on the roads which the site borders, it would
very difficult to sell single - family lots. Mr. Thorberg questioned the old plans
regarding the area of homes around the golf course and was told the majority of this
became single- family homes.
Mr. James Mattacola indicated single - family homes would generate more tax dollars for
the City. Mr. Marwede questioned why the zoning should be changed - -if the area is
developed for single - family homes, he feels they would sell.
7. Ms. Carol Vranicar, 8549 Palomino Dr., AV: indicated if single - family homes
were built, less of the natural environment would be destroyed than the proposed
townhomes. Mr. Art Eaton replied to this comment indicating there is not an
appreciable difference.
Ms. Sterling questioned why not put in nice single- family homes.
Mr. Vranicar indicated they put in a circle driveway because of the traffic on
Palomino and to add 142 townhomes would only further aggravate an already hazardous
traffic problem.
Mr. Mattacola commented that owls are an endangered species and that the EPA would
be notified, if the change were to go into effect. Mr. Kelley commented that the
requirements of a project of this size do not include an environmental impact statement
8. Dr. Karen Lucas, 8625 Hunters Way, AV: indicated she had been involved in an
accident on Palomino Drive resulting in $3,000.00 in damages; this is a very
dangerous intersection. Before purchasing their lot, they looked very carefully
into the zoning and one of the major reasons for their choice was because of the
single- fami.1v znninv in n7.ara_ Thav aro --A ..,�._....
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their areas. Adding multiple housing would decrease values in that entire
area.
Vice -Chair Thorberg declared the public hearing closed with the standard closing
remarks.
5. Public Hearing for Preliminary Plat for Wildwood Pond Townhomes.
rLI
r � L LOCATION Southwest Corner of 140th St WILDWOOD POP .. & Pennock Ave. rn, WOOD POI
PETITIONER Miles Development, Ltd. TOWNHOMES
Vice -Chair Thorberg opened the public hearing with the standard opening remarks.
Mr. Kelley presented the petition for a preliminary plat to create 19 townhouse
lots. The site plan and building permit review for these 19 townhouse units has alreai
been completed and approved by the City; but for purposes of marketing these units as
townhomes rather than condominiums as initiall planned, the land must be replatted.
The configuration for the layout is the same. The matter of the extra garage for one
unit was discussed as to ownership, etr::with an option indicated that additional
covered parking may be considered instead. Mr. Peterson questioned the depth of the
pond and was told there is a 4 -1 slope in the area; it will be heavily landscaped.
No one from the public was present to speak; the Vice -Chair declared the public hearin
closed with the standard closing remarks.
6. Public Hearing for Rezoning from LB to M -2 and Preliminary Plat -- Pennock Shores
Third Addition.
LOCATION On Glenda Drive.
PETITIONER: Vista Development.
PH, REZONIN(
LB to M -2 &
PREL. PLAT,
PF.Nmorx mgni
Vice -Chair Thorberg opened the public hearing with the standard opening
remarks. Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for rezoning from LB to M -2 and
Preliminary Plat, Pennock Shores 3rd Addition. The area is guided for limited business
Since the area adjacent to it is guided for multiple residnetial, an extension of
multiple residential is an acceptable land use for the area and does of inte
with the land use guide plan. Ms.McMonigal indicated a few proposaB/ o tie area ices
across the street have come in and that is likely what the area would be used for.
The petitioner indicated this would complete their project in this area and would
not interfere with the commercial in the area.
Ms. Sterling indicated to the petitioner that he make sure the people know there
is LB zoning just across the street so they will not be coming to Planning Commission
members. Mr. Eaton indicated he feels that area of business will develop in the
same architectural mode as Valley Commercial Park.
No one from the public was present to speak; the Vice -Chair declared the public hearin
closed with the standard closing remarks.
7. Public Hearing for Rezoning to R -1C and Preliminary Plat -- Bubbers- Krause Addition.
LOCATION: East of Cedar Ave, South of 42nd St.
PH, REZONIN
PETITIONER Mark and Cindy Bubbers, Mark and Debra Ann Krause. TO R -1C &
PREL. PLAT.
Vice -Chair Thorberg opened the public hearing with the standard opening BUBBERS-
remarks. Mr. Kelley presented the petition for a rezoning to R -1C and KRAUSE ADD.
preliminary plat for two detached single family lots. Mr. Gordon commented
that utilities are available from Cherry Oak Estates and there is a second
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alternative to run the sewer from 132nd Street. The project fits all codes.
No one from the public wished to speak; therefore, Vice -Chair Thorberg de-
clared the public hearing closed with the standard closing remarks.
MOTION: of Sterling, seconded by Peterson, to recommend approval of the
rezoning of the Bubbers- Krause Addition to R -1C and to approve the
preliminary plat as presented. VOTE: Yes - 6, No - 0.
8. Sign Variance Request
LOCATION 980 Garden View Drive
PETITIONER Ashwin Shah
SIGN VARIANCE
REQUEST
Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for a sign variance to allow for a pylon
sign to be erected on the site. The petitioner, Mr. Ashwin Shah, presented a
list of 23 surrounding residents who indicated they would not object to a
pylon sign on this site. Ms. Sterling questioned the persons living in the
duplex right across from the proposed business with Mr. Shah indicating the
reenter of one portion of the duplex did not object and the owner who lives on
the other side could not be reached (three tries!). Only two of 25 persons
did not sign it. Ms. Sterling indicated her concern for not having reached
the person right across the street and also that she had received a telephone
call from a person who did not want the sign approved. Ms. Sterling felt it
would be desirable to have written permission from the owner of the duplex
just across the street. Mr. Kleckner complemented Mr. Shah on the respectable
job he did addressing the concerns of the Planning Commission at the previous
meeting that he obtain approval of the surrounding residents. Mr. Carlson
indicated he has a concern granting a variance - -this is a residential area and
a precedence could be set allowing a sign of this magnitude. It was indicated
that the persons present at the public hearing were happy this land was being
put to some use and were happy with a dry cleaning establishment rather than
another store. Mr. Shah indicated he is 99% sure the space he thought would
be for rent will be used by his own business. Mr. Kleckner indicated he feels
the Commission has to give Mr. Shah the sign. Mr. Shah is waiting for the
results of 7 -11 checking their records in regards to the previous sign.
MOTION: of Peterson, seconded by Cowling, recommending approval of a vari-
ance to allow for a pylon sign to be erected on the site as request-
ed. DISCUSSION: Ms. Sterling is concerned about the fact that they
worked on a new sign ordinance and decided there should not be signs
in a residential neighborhood, thus her concern about granting a
variance. Mr. Thorberg doesn't really feel this is a definite resi-
dential neighborhood. Mr. Kleckner doesn't see this area as totally
residential, the neighbors don't object, and there was a sign pre-
viously. Ms. Sterling hopes Mr. Shah doesn't request another vari-
ance because posts are too close to the property line. (13' from
property line -- previously discussed by Ms. Cowling with Mr. Shah
indicating he had measured and it is correct.)
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION - -by Peterson, seconded by Cowling to include
that the sign must meet the requirements of signs allowed for a
single occupant in a residential district.
VOTE ON MOTION AS AMENDED: Yes, 4 - No, 2 (Carlson, Sterling).
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The Planning Commission recessed from 9:00 to 9:10 p.m.
9. Consideration of Rezoning, Preliminary Plat- -Salem Woods.
LOCATION North Side of 132nd St., 1/4 Mile West of Galaxie
Ave.
PETITIONER Richard Williams
REZONING,
PRELIM. PLAT
SALEM WOODS
Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for rezoning to R -1C and Preliminary
Plat, Salem Woods Addition, 26 lots of single family homes. Mr. Williams
indicated he would be purchasing the 60' wide strip on the north side of the
property. Mr. Gordon indicated they are presently in the process of securing
easements for 132nd St. and no problems are foreseen. Mr. Kelley indicated
the desire to alternate the bubble with the need for setbacks for two lots.
MOTION: of Kleckner, seconded by Sterling, to recommend approval of the Rezoning
to R -1C and Preliminary Plat, Salem Woods Addition, subject to working
with the Staff for the needed alterations to the bubble.
DISCUSSION: Mr. Carlson was told that the two lots would be narrower at
the setback lines.
VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0.
10. Setback Variance for Garage.
LOCATION 8375 141st Street West.
PETITIONER Wayne Erbe.
SETBACK VARIANCE
GARAGE
Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for variance to setback requirements to
build a garage. An attached letter from the petitioner outlining the reasons
for the variance request was reviewed. The variance request is for approxi-
mately 9 feet. Mr. Erbe presented a letter from three of his neighbors who
find no problem with his request. Ms. Cowling indicated that since there was
to a garage previously on this house site, this would be the appropriate place
to build a garage.
MOTION: of Sterling, seconded by Carlson, to recommend approval of the variance
request of approximately 9 feet to build a garage as stated in the
petition.
VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0.
11. Setback Variance for Garage.
LOCATION 885 Oriole Drive.
PETITIONER Melvin Bennett.
SETBACK VARIANCE
GARAGE
Ms. McMonigal presented the petition for a variance to setback requirements
for an addition to a garage which would bring the garage within 8 inches of
the property line rather than the 5 feet required by ordinance. Discussion
ensued as to other alternatives because of the concerns of Commission Members
about the eaves of the garage being on his neighbor's property, fire hazard,
etc. The neighbor was present to voice his approval of the plan. Concern
over setting a precedent was discussed, and especially being that close the
living quarters of a neighbor's house.
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MOTION: of Sterling, seconded by Cowling, to recommend that the request for
a variance to setback requirements for an addition to a garage be
denied.
VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0.
12. Withdrawn from Agenda.
13. Setback Variance for a Screened Porch.
LOCATION 14334 Embry Path.
PETITIONER Steph -An Homes, Inc.
SETBACK VARIANCE
SCREENED PORCH
Ms. McMonigal presented the request for a variance to the sideyard setback
requirements for a screened porch. The petitioner has begun building the
porch with a 5' setback rather than the 10' required by the ordinance. This
variance would bring the porch with 5' of the property line. There is 20'
between the porch and the garage next door. The neighbor has no objection.
The petitioner indicated he had made the error by not doing the desired re-
search. The Planning Commission indicated their desire for something in writ-
ing from the neighbor; Ms. McMonigal could present this at the City Council
meeting.
MOTION: of Kleckner, seconded by Cowling, that as much as we dislike approv-
ing a request "after the fact ", if the petitioner could get a writ-
ten statement indicating approval from the abutting neighbor to
staff and /or City Council, recommendation is made for approval of
this variance request for a screened porch within 5' of the property
line subject to the written statement being presented.
VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0; Abstain, 1 (Sterling).
14. Site Plan Review and Building Permit Authorization, Auto Max, Inc.
MOTION: of Sterling, seconded by Carlson, to Table this itemsince the peti-
tioner is not present and there were questions concerning the pro-
ject.
VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0.
15. Site Plan Review for Office/Warehouse.
LOCATION 146th Street West, East of Galaxie Ave.
PETITIONER D & R Vinge.
SITE PLAN REVIEW
OFFICE/WAREHOUSE
Mr. Kelley presented the petition for authorization of a building permit for
an auto service facility. The site plan meets the requirements of the applic-
able zoning requirements and a landscaped plan has been included; the proposed
office /warehouse use is a permitted use in an I -1 (Limited Industrial) zoning
district. A grading plan prior to construction must be submitted to Mr.
Gordon. The petitioner is in the tile business and he indicated the other
space would be probably rented to others in construction -- plumbers, electri-
cians, etc. The petitioner indicated the office side would be of ceramic tile
with decorative block completing the building. They are concerned about vis-
ual impact.
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MOTION: of Peterson, seconded by Carlson, to recommend approval of the
authorization of a Building Permit for an office /warehouse facility.
VOTE: Yes - 6, No - 0.
16. Other Items.
None were reported.
17. Adjourn.
MOTION: of Carlson, seconded by Cowling, to adjourn the meeting at 9:46 p.m.
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