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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12/06/1988 - • • • , CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COI�Il�IITTEE December 6, 1988 Minutes of the Apple Valley Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee held December 6, 1988, at the Apple Valley Community Center. PRESENT: Chairperson Greg Kopischke; Committee Members John DiRico, Dave Gross, Charlie Maus, Ann Wyllie, Tina Rankin (8:15 arrival) . Parks and Recreation Director Randy Johnson; Assistant City Planner Meg McMonigal. ABSENT: Russell DeFauw. 1. Chair Kopischke called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. 2. Approval of Agenda. It was suggested that Item Sa. Rolling Ridge Street Accesses Review and Item Sc. Verbal Update on Second Ice Arena by Mr. Jerry Norgaard follow Item 3. MOTION: of Gross, seconded by Maus, to approve the agenda as revised. VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0. 3. Minutes of October 18, 1988. MOTION: of Gross, seconded by Maus, to approve the minutes of October 18, 1988, as presented. VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0. Minutes of November 17, 1988. Please note the correct typing of furrow to furror. MOTION: of Gross, seconded by DiRico, to approve the minutes of November 17, 1988, as presented. VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0. Sa. Review Rolling Ridge Street Accesses. Ms. McMonigalreviewedthe possibility of the City Council recommending a road connection to the north and/or south and the ramifications to Delaney Park (southern road connection) and Tintah Park (northern road connection) . Mr. Gross expressed his concern for the safety of the children if a road wereto go through a park. Mr. Kopischke wondered whether or not the logic of a road connection is strong enough to warrant the impact on park(s) and the added concern of safety. Mr. Gross felt that portion of the street should end at the cul de sac. Ms. McMonigal indicated that the developer would be willing to provide at 12' pathway through the park to provide emergency access. Mr. Gross felt a road extension would destroy the integrity of the entire Tintah Park, and he was ADAMANTLY OPPOSSED to the extension of Drake Avenue. Mr. Johnson agreed � indicating that Tintah is a nice, quiet park and a road extension would destroy its integrity. Mr. Kopischke said that he couid � . • � , � � � Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Page 2 December 6, 1988 understand the logic for the extension, but the validity for the extension is not present. The road extension is not well integrated into the development. There are eight areas in Apple Valley which have similar numbers of homes with only two exits. One hundred and four homes are proposed for this development. Mr. Maus agreed that there is no need for a road to be extended through Tintah, Mr. Kopischke indicated there would be less of an impact to go through Delaney Park. Mr. DiRico felt the Committee was the "scape goat" for not putting in a cul de sac since the City's position has been moving away from the installation of cul de sacs. The Committee felt the developer should cansider the redesz�n. of the area. The questions of whether a road extension through Tintah Park is truly necessary and whether it is worth the cost to the exist- ing neighborhood should be considered. MOTION: of Gross, seconded by Kopischke, that the App1e Va11ey Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee recommends to the City Council that they do not destroy the integrity of Tintah Park, and thus, that they do not recommend installing a street through the area. It is further recommended that Tintah Park remain as one park for safety reasons, that a north/south road would change the character of the neighbor- hood, and that the public would best be served by not installing a street. DISCUSSION: The Committee cannot �ustify the impact on the park for the minimum benefit. Tintah Park essentially would be destroyed. Ms. McMonigal indicated that in calling the residents, they said that they paid a premium for their lot so that they could abut a park; they are also very worried about safety because children follow that path to school. Mr. DiRico questioned whether the park could be relocated north of the pipeline easement. The street would create a dividing line and barrier. Children take the pathway to school, and this must be remembered. Mr. Kopischke, in his experience as a planner, indicated that he would nat expect a high number of people using a north/south street, but rather an east/west extension. VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0. Sc. Verbal Update on Second Ice Arena. Mr. Jerry Norgaard of the Apple Valley Hockey Association was present to give the Committee an update on their association's quest for a second ice arena and their plans to date regarding financing, sites, etc. He indicated their two viable site plans are within existing park land: one at the Eastview Athletic Complex, and the other at � Hayes Community Center. The least expensive wouldbe to utilize 'the old Hayes Park Building by adding to it. The building would cost . , • � . Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Minutes Page 3 December 6, 1988 approximately $400,000.00 He presented preliminary drawings. Mr. DiRico, Mr. Gross, Mr. Maus, and Ms. Wyllie felt that locating at Hayes would be a sensible idea. Presently, there are 535 children in the hockey program. About 465 families are participating, but there are 121 families from previous years that have elected not to participate this year. They would like to undertake private fund raising for the majority of the money needed with perhaps the City funding the difference. Many donations could be made as materi- als� etc. (for example, $50,000.00 worth of gravel from Fiseher) . Mr. Johnson indicated that Mr. Melena felt the City Council would support such an endeavor. It would probably be a break-even endeavor for the City with the cost of operating between $185-200,000.00 with a reasonable income of $180,000.00. It would be much easier to manage and supervise if the operation were at Hayes. Mr. Jahnson indicated that in summer it could become an indoor soccer complex. Mr. Norgaard explained that joint efforts with Rasemount have been considered; Lakeville is building a facility of their own. Mr. Norgaard shared theirneed forice time indicating the long distan- ces that children are traveling for iee time. A second sheet would be useful for those who just en3oy pleasure skating, also. Mr. Gross, Ms. Wyllie, Mr. Maus, and Mr. Kopischke indicated that they would be much more comfortable with the facility being located at Hayes. MOTION: of Mr.Gross, seconded by Mr. Maus, that the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee supports the concept of a second ice arena and that the Hayes Site be the Number l choice for its location. VOTE: Yes, 6; No, 0. 4. New Business. A. Receive Copy of Sample Park System Plan. Mr. Johnson gave members copies of the City of Eagan, Park System Plan to review and perhaps incorporate some of the ideas in the plan for Apple Valley. Mr. Johnson indicated that he did not feel hiring a consultant would be a viable option at this time, The Committee could review this doewnent and there could be the need for hiring a consultant once tasks fiave been identified. B. Mr. Johnson suggested that a person from each of the divisions within the Parks and Recreation Department meet with the Committee during future meetings to explain what is happening within their department. The Committee Members would appreciate this opportunity. c _ . . . �, � Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee Page 4 December 6, 1988 5. Old Business. B. Uerbal Update on Bond Issue Projects. It is expected that Eastview will be opened during the Spring of 1989. Development is within budget. 6. Other. The Policy for Ice Rinks was distributed to members. It was suggested that the meetings be held in the multi-purpose room because of the noise level from the gym. Mr. DiRico reported that he had attended the City Council and the Planning Commission meetings regarding the downtown proposal and was disappointed that not once were any plans proposed for any new park areas. There had been no consideration at all for a mini central park area. This is something the Committee should continue to push, particularly in the southeast quadrant of Cedar and CR 42. The next meeting will be held January i7, 1989, at 7:30 p.m. 7. Adj ourn. MOTION: of Maus, seconded by Gross, to adjourn the meeting at 9;50 p.m. VOTE: Yes, 5; No, 0. (Please note Ms. Wyllie had to leave at 9:40 p.m.) �