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Home My WebLink About01/05/1982 • • CITY aF AFPLE VALLEY PARK C�MMITTEE MTNTTTES J�nuary g, 1q82 PRESEI��: Chair�aerson. V3.rg�.ni� �iterling, IJauglas I)ahl.en' Rita 4utenkauf� Terr�► I,a�.�agery E11er� Milo�ay Ftabart Na�gela, P].ann3.ng Con�ulta�t John Va�s, Staff Me�b�� 'c�hn Gr�tz# Council M�mb�r Barbara Savani.eh (7l2� arrival). AB,SENT; �avid Mil�er. Ch�irp�rsor� �'terl.in� V. �terlin� called the meeting to arder at '�t42 p.m. Item 6 af the Agendat F'ur�h�r considerat�,an c►f M�.21.er-A�znwiddie Repc�rt--F�rqt�haz� Fark� wi11 be con�sidered at the Januar�r 19 meeting sinee the fina�xcial. repnr� wiZl nc�t be availabl�e uazti�, th��a. M�nutes af the be�sn�ber 1�y 1981 meeti�g were correctad as fd].loro�s: Pa�e 2� lane 21--The Pa,rk Comm�.ttee ar�d �tist�ri.cal �s�rnmitt�e w�.11. �.ot be hdldin� a �oir�t meeting at thi� time for t�e consifleration.... Nomir�at�.dz�s and �lectian of �ha3r erson a�d Vice-Ch�ir erson f+�r 1g82s �101t11.TiF.�'��.023 c��' Ra �rt Naege�i a� Chairpe�rs�n by T�au�las �aYtl.e�# seednd.ed by Rita �uten�auf--Nominat�.or�. closed,. Chairpersc�zz far 1 : 82--Rabert Plae�eli. Ne�minatio� +�f El1.en Mi1c�s as V3.ce=Chairpers�an by Rita C�ut�nkauf, seconded by I�ou�las T?�hle� and Rab�rt Na��e].�.-..1Vomiraa�a.csn� cic�sed. Vice-Chairpersan far '!9$2--Ellen A4i1.Q$. Further Cc�nsidera�i�n of Bird �on Fark DeBicat�.on: P�r. Nae�eli repor�ed that the Planning Cc�mma,ssion was reee�ti�e tc� the recomm�nda- tian of the Park Cam�nittee that the 1�acres of the southeast quad.rant 4f Pilat Kn.ob Road and County Road #38, with possibly some aerea�e o� the ather side af Pilot �nab Roa.d� be deda.ca�ed for the purp4�e of a: nei�hbr�r2�oc�d park. �h� Commis�- �.on felt a park next ta The Wood� would ae� as a buf�'er ar�d that deer �rails would nc�t ad�rersely be affected. Mr« �retz contacted Mr. �huck Lowery of the Couint�r park syste� tc► see if they may b� int�rested in pureh��ir�� the 14 acres a.d jaeent ta �he e�cist�.n� Dakat� Cdunty Park. Mr. Lawery felt that the Coun�� Park cauld use acce��bility tca future Count�r Rnad 3$� but that be�a�zse c�f bud��t restric�ion�, �hey prababl�r would not be i�, a posi�icstt t+� purchase the aerea�e. Iie �3.11 contact M�. �ret� with a defi- nit� answer soon. F'or t�e pr�sent� the �ommittee �ill �o wi�h alternative 3 fear �he propc��d 1�+ acre dedication ad�aeex�t to �he County Park wh�.ch �s; The Ci.ty could find thi� are� unacceptable for C�.ty �ark us�e anci permat the a�ea to be developed far residential t�ses. The County Park ha� plans for 1t70-2a4 campin� unats near this 14 acre pa�rcel. Eight thc�usand dallar� per acre would be the cash exgected in lieu df land tn sat�.sfy dedieata.Qn req��.rements. Sectis�r� 1,3 of the Ci�y Camprehensive P1.an �tates a nei�hbonc��c�d park i� required �'or every 3�04t� people. There cvuld be a park left and ri�ht of Pilot Knob 1�Qad,; eventue�lly, when that intersectian is �ignali�ed� a pedestrian walk sequenc� cc�uld be included. The sixteen acre �arcel 1oca�Ced at the southwes� quadran� of Pilc�t I�nc�b Road and future Coun�y Re,ad �38 is ne►� very we1]. suited for a park»-the pond and surround- in� lorv areas cc�uld best be dev�l4ped as a part of the �c�mrnon open space to �e owned and maintained by a homedwner�s as�ociat�.or�. The 14 acre� of the sautheast quadrant af Pi1c�t Knob and County Road �38 is �he be�t p arcel fn�r park develapment. Th�re is a 2�� s�ope 40� �'ee� to the o thwest and, a �.-�� slo e �o the southeast, Some berr�in an chane l��a iatt wvuZ� �ie � � PARl� G�MI��TTEE i�INUTES January 5, 1y82 Page 2 r�quired because of the prc�xim3.ty to t�ro county road�. Grading would have tn be don� for a ball field. The �.ncation' o� a park in this area wo�zld provide a �oe�d balanee ta c�ther ava�.lable park�s. There will be street access ta the par� for pec�ple in The Woods addition. Minnesc�ta S"tate 77 wi11 event�ally tie intd Caunty �38. The proposal. by 8ird �on� develc�pers for the c�pen space a:reas i�s that the homeca�rner�s ��saciatian own and mai�.ta�n t�em. A trail s�rstem, �ither public or private, wat�ld be developed. The devel.c�per wou].d b�ild a walk way system �'rom th�: hom�� to the parls. Mr. Naegel.i fesl.s that this acrea�e is �a�newhat '�1o�tf� when �*cau consider t�e wh41e acrea�e that �r+�u].d 'be dedicated. Ms. A4ilos feels that people €�n the west �a.de of Pilot Kn.ab Road wauld prnbably go tc� Hagemeister Park. �eve� hundred units are planned for the west side of Pilot K�z�b with an expected populatian o� 2,�4� �eap7.e. E3ne thou�and p�ople are expected tn inhabit the homes on the �ast sic3� of Pile►t Knob. The sixteen acre parael that includes the pond is certain'to be �.eft in its na�ural stat�. �:n exa�np�.e ot Mara the dedic�tion cauld be met, wit� earl.� ph��es crf de�rslQpment, �he Ce►mmittee woul.d take 1a�d; �s ather phase,s are develop�d! cash cc�u2d be received in lieu c�f lar�d. I�' the Park Cc��mit�ee w��ts '1� acres ��r a park� they will have to �vait u�ti.l 14� aeres are platteci. By the t3.me phases 9 and 2 ar+� pl.atted� then the Ca�mittee �tna3.d ha�re the�.r de�a.red 'acrea�e. The law states that d�dicatioz� can�ot be required untzl. ec�mething i� th� form of a plat is given. �'h� �r�ning Ordiz�anee le�ally �3.�re� a much stra�n�er holcl than cant�act zc�nin�-- fa.rm3y a�taches any rezanin� tc certa�.n conditians. �he qu�stidn csf drai�a.ge� i�to Farquhar Lake Basi� ca�not be fu�.1y a�.�wered until mc�re details are knar�� abou,t the develr�pment. I� th� Cammitte� wants to �et the sta��e fc�r renc��ia�in�, tY�e best pn�ition tcr t�.ke would prcababl� be ta pir�" it dc�wn a� caz�h (providin� l�verage for renegntiatin�). Th�s would be $14C�,44U°ca�h p�us 1f� �cares of lanc3. Every �ime the dev�lapeac p2�ts a seGtio� o� prapert�, the Cammittee crruld tmke the pr4portion�t� �hare in ei.ther l.and or mnney. !� developmettt agreement ie required with each ti�al plat of each section a�d saCh �i�se �here �n�as� be a sub�zvisi,pr� a�reement, �crr�. Mr. Gret� advi.seci the Commit�Qe tc� decide in broad t�rms exactly wha� they wanted„ the�a each t�me the plat i.s �a.ven ne��tiatir�ns efluld tak� �rlace. It i� possible that th�; 3.a�td could �ae acquired "u�sfrp�t�� dependin� on how much l.and �.s plat�ed--eertainl,y the park dedic�tiott requa.rem�nts should be me� with Phase� 1 and 2 of the de�relapme�.t, The Committee shnuld decide the number of �cre� they desire by the fir�t Pla�nin� Comm3��ss3.on �aeetin� in February. A way tc� prese�t it to the devel.oper is: Phase I--Cash (e�craw) Phase �I--Z,�.nd �sc�me mQZ�ey wau].d have tc� be retur�ed} The developer w�.l�. be required to dedica�te some land far the up�radin� a� Palc�t Knob Road; a 7� faot dedicatian wi1l be r�qua.red for the ri�ht af way en either side of �vtur� Coun�y Road #38. Ten acre� wi11 have tn be �iven jt�st for a park, Park Cr�mm�.ttee members reactions were. Mr. Langa�er--expre�sed concern ovEr the proxitni�3r to the rc+ad+�; it appears the ten acre parcel is the best piace for a p�rk; Cammit�ee �auld as� for land after Phases 1 and � are platted then �;r� �ar cash a� otlzer phases ar� plat�ed, - - - II • • I I PARK CQMMT'1'T:�E MII�TE� I January �� 19$2 Page 3 I I�r. Voss su��e�ted tha� the Committ�� may aish to �.sk fc�r the park acrea�e wa�h I� Phas� T. �ie �u��ested that perhaps the prc►perty shcauld be staked c�ut. !i Mr. 73ahlen-»-on1�r enncern in loeatin� the park as de�ir�d is the twa rQad�; ' he wou2d 1,ike td take the ten aeres. ' Mt�. SterSin�--�aroul.d l.ike 1� acres; �et as mueh cash as pass�.bl.e far the 14 ' and 16 �ere parce�.s. *The idea of tr��.ls easement far pede�trians shauld be written intr� th� r�cam�enda- tior�. (This cc�u3.d b� used q�i.te a bit by"the peaple u�ir��`the I1�ka�a Co�n�y Park.) Ten acres i� large enau�h far a par�in� la� to be �.nclttded, �Is. A�ilos--q,ues�taoned if thi� coul.d be de�reloped as a big city park; �rhy r�at have anc��er �;odd entrance tc� �he Gi�y a� Redwa+ad A�orth and Sou�h provia�. The Cc��mitte� wants ta walk �he ten acre paree�. 2hey w�1,1 meet January 1� at 1(3 a.m. a.t C�.ty Ha1.1 �cr dri.ee caver and wa13� �h3.s 'area. This wa3.]. enable them to arr�.ve at a ciecisa.�an �y the next Park I�eetin�! January 'Ig. I�r. Voss p�esented on� other aspect �o con.sa.d�r in tak�.n� the ten acre parcels the tsn acre, are� extended to the east eauld perhaps some�.ay g�.ve much better exposure in crp�►n space �o the Gol.f Cov.rs�:; per�a.ps a Par 3 cau�.d be bui,Zt �a augm�nt the �cs1f Cc�urse; m4re Iand adjacent �r� the f�alf Gc,ur�e a�d more options for the future. Mr. L��.��a�er stated th�� thi.� 10 acre park wau:ld be rrithin 1 mile o� Farquhar Par� which wi.11 ev�ntually hav� 1 ar 2 pi.�nic pa�3.11ion�. Discuss�.an of Meeti�� Ti.�� a�d Numb�r Qf I�eetir� s er A4ernth; The omms,ttee w 1]. continu� t4 roeet t e �'irst an t��.rd uesdays af the month at ? p.m. Fur�h�� Considerat3,ar� af M�.1.ler-�ut�widdie Re c�rt��-�'ar uhar Park. Tabled. 4�her Items: Keepin� th� haus� and barn �t Farquhar Park is ncat tied �.nto tk�e terms of ��ie �WCOTi GX"AI'i'�� The Committee would like to know frflm Mr. �unvriddi.e 3� the h€�use`and barn o� hi�torica], valu� a�.d is i� real3,y worth. �€eepin� tkl�se. struc�ur��s. Mr. Gret� �tated that �he house would requare $20,000 wc,rth of wc�rk and the barn, $24�00� �u�t to get th�m into stable co�.ditidan. Mr. Ftahlen e�cpre�sed the ple�sur� of his nei�hbars at havin� the skating; rink at Tintah; th� ner�hbors (and he� hirnself) are sMnvelin� �he snow o�f af xt and the ch3ldren are usi�g it daily. . The skating rink at Her3�a�e is recei�r�.ng h�avy u�ei tac�, Ms. �terl.�.ng �xpressed pleasure that the Gity Cou�cil saw fit to restore the four �katir�g rinks. The Park Committe�� she �tated, as canee�n�d about a1.1 tY�e parlcs in �pple 'Va3.le�. Ms. Nii2as s�tated that the hin�e on the gate at the t�r�:�nl.eaf Tenn3.s Court needs repair; the �ate i� han��.n�.� � � PARK CQMI�STTEE MIPTt7TE� January 5, 1q82 Pa�� 4 The �Qmmitte� fe1.� the �auntr side did a gc�od �ob 3.n reporti�� the cnncern dvear the clo�in� af the faur�stsa�ng �.r n�s that w�re reapened. Mr. Na��e1.a. �xpressed his per�onal. thar�ks ta" �s. �ter�.�.ng for the admir�ble job she ha� done a�s Chairperscrn c�f �he Park �amzn3.ttee. 4ther Comm3.ttee members fully cc�ncu�red w3.�h hi� remarks. M4TION« by 'M�. M3.1os� �ecc�nded by Mr, 13ahlen to ad,�nur�.. Meet�.n� �.d�titzrned. at $�4,� p.m.