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CITY OF APPLE VALLEY
PARK COMMITTEE MINUTES
FEBRUARY 3, 1981
PRESENT : Chairperson Sterling, Dahlen, Hollenbeck, Na�geli,
Gutenkauf. Carolyn Rodriguez , E� Officio Member,
and Staff Member Mr. Bassett.
ABSENT : Mi11er.
l. Call to Order.
Chairperson Sterling called meeting to order at '� :02 p.m.
2. Approval of A�enda.
Agenda approved as mailed.
3. Approval of Minutes from January 20, 1981.
�inutes were approved as mailed,
4. Con�inue Discussion of Park Names.
Ms. Sterling s�ated she would like to have a list that all I��
members more or less agree on by the end of this meeting. ',
Ms. Hollenbeck stated she felt some of the park names on the ��'
Historieal Committee's list were not good, and some om the Park
Committee's list were very good. She said that if you went to
the Dakota County I,ibrary there were eigh-� names that are credited
for settling and plan�;��g the Ci�y of Apple Valley but only one
of those names are shown on the list. She went on to sa3r that
some of the people listed on the Historical listing hadn•t really
done anything for the City of Apple Valley, but the City had done
a lot for them. She went on to say that they had owned Iand.
sold it , and made money, bu� truly didn't do anythin� for the
City. Names of those who warked very hard for the City were
John Natwick, Urwin Ulrich, Arleigh Thorberg who has put in at
least 15 years a�ways as a volunteer, Steve Delaney first chair-
man of the Tovrm Board, and other firsts of the community were
Pearsall , Largen, Garrison, Branning and Hollenbeck. She said
that in order for the City to be named Apple Valley they had to
approach Orrin Thompson who wanted it stated that it was not done
because of him because he felt he didnRt want to owe -the City of
Apple Valley anything. Mr. Tousignant dedicated land because he
had to. She added that if names were used she felt only one name
should be used so it wouldn't be a memorial type thing.
�is, Sterling �tated she had previousl�r mentioned that she liked
the idea of current history also, and that ot��r. citi es have named
parks, buildings, etc. , more or less for the people who started
the cities. She said that because they were new people wasn•t a
reason for not using the ne� names.
Mr. Bassett stated the next City Council Agenda was a large one,
and felt the Council would want to take some time on this item
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and i-� would probably be held for the last meeting in February
which would give the Committee time to look at it again.
Present Park Names : Historical Committee Su��es�tion:
1. Apple Valley East Tousignant Park
Discussion:
Ms. Hollenbeck stated that Mr. Tousignant owned the land,
and he sold it donating what he had to for park dedication,
but she didn't feel it sufficient reason to name a park
after him. She stated the name MeDonald had been discussed;
and that they had changed Westview to Hayes so there wouldn't I
be two Westview Parks.
Mr. Naegeli stated they were getting into the same thing I
the�r had gotten into before. He said they previously had
l.00ked at 18 names from the list received be�'�re. He stated �
he didn't like using names because of the same problem they
were going to have.
Ms. Ho1leMbeck stated she agreed with the names of C�rrigan
and Delan�e�, but did not agree with usin� Thompson because
he hasn't really done anything for the City he hasn•t been
asked to do. She stated he gave the City the Poo1 and Racquet
Club building because he was losing money on it, and felt the
City could handle it themselves.
Mr. Naegeli stated that in getting into names each member
would have an opinion and they would get nowhere.
Mr. Bassett stated this was such a subjective thing, and there
will be many different opinions with probably equal differences
when it gets to the Council. He said perhaps it would be better
to ask:=Council to set down some criteria for both the Park
and Historical Committee to go by. Mr. Naegeli stated that
could change depending on who was in at the particular time,
and this Committee was talking about names that would go on
parks presumable forever. Ms:. Hollenbeck asked" why ignore
them when they are on record here in the City and at the Dakota
County Library. She, s�id she felt they should use them.
l�r. Bassett suggested the Committee name a portion of the parks.
particularly those with bad names. Mr. Naegeli said he felt
they should change Scott-Highlands.
Park Names at Present : Historical C����ee's Suggestion
1. Apple Valley East Tousignant Park
Discussion: Land dedicated by Mr. Tousignant through
park dedication not considered jusifiable
reason.
MOTION: by Naegeli, seconded by Gutenkauf, to table for
later consideration. �otion carried.
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Park Names at Present : Hi��:orical Committee•s Su��estion:
2. Cedar Knolls Hidden Ponds
Discussion: Committee liked Cedar Knolls, and area is
e$sy to locate.
MOTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to leave it
Cedar Knoils. Motion carried.
3 . Chaparral Drive Park �hapa.rral Park.
MOTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, for acceptance
of Historical Committee's suggestion to name it
Chaparral Park. �otion carried.
4. City Hall Park Delaney Park
�oTT�n : by Naegeli, seconded by Gutenkauf, to table for
later consideration. Motion earried.
5. Cobblestones Park Reflection, Peace, Sunset,
�editation.
MOTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Hollenbeck, to leave it
Cobblestones Park. Motion carried.
6. Farquar Hills Park Farquhar (Correct spelling) .
MOTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to use corrected i
spelling. Mo�ion carried.
7• Greenleaf Phase IV Tintah Park - Indian name �!
for Prairie. '
Discussion: Not too many Indians settled around here.
Park Committee last meeting had felt this park
would be Delaney Park.
�OTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to table for
later consideration. �otion carried.
8. Nordic South Park Nordic Park
Named originally because it was thought there would be twti
parks, bu� since there is not a Nordic North Historical Com-
mittee suggested Nordic Park.
MOTION . by Naegeli . seconded by Gutenkauf, �o name it Nordic
Park. �otion carried.
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Park Names at Present : Historical Committee's Su���stion:
9. Redwood I�orth Redwood Park
Redwood South
Ms. Sterling asked if in actuality these were just one park
cut in to by County Road 42, or if they were two completely
different parks. She stated she realized they came from
two different plats, but the people really wouZdn't know.
Discussion last mee�ing was to name Redwood Narth as Redwood,
aMd Redwood South as McDonald's Park.
Ms. Gutenkauf stated the Garden Club would like for it to
remain Redwood.
M�TION: by Naegeli, seconded by Gutenkauf, to leave the
park names of Redwood North, and Redwood South.
�otion carried.
Ms. Hollenbeck stated she agreed on the names for the parks,
but felt the bui2ding should be renamed since it isn't Apple
Valley Racquet Club.
MOTTON : by Hollenbeck, seconded by Naegeli , to rename the
Apple Valley Pool and Racquet Club to Redwc►od
Community Cen�er and Municipal Poo1. Motion carri�d.
1Q. Scott Highlands Park Will Scott Park
MOTION : by N'aegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to table this for
later consideration.
11 . Diamond Path Park Holding for later consideration.
Last meeting it was suggested it be named Corrigan Park.
MOTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to table for later
consideration.
12. Longridge Park Holding for later eonsideration.
MOTION : by Naegeli, seconded by Gutenkauf, to leave it Longridge.
Reason: It3s close to Longridge Addition, and contour of land
forms a long ridge through the area. l�otian carried.
13� Findlay Way Park Findlay Park
MOTION : by Gutenkauf, seconded by Hollenbeck, to change name
to Findlay Park. Motion carried.
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Park Committee reviewed all other park names :
Park : Decision:
l. Alimagnet I,eave name.
2. Belmont Leave name.
3 . Carrollwood Leave name.
4. Duchess I,eave name.
5. Faith Leave name.
6. Galaxie Since there are two Galaxie
Parks, one can remain Ga.laxie.
7• Greening Leave name.
8. Heritage Hills
Motion by Gutenkauf, seconded by Dahlen, to name park
Heritage Park. Motion carried.
9. Hagenmeister Leave name.
10. Moeller Leave name.
11. Keller Leave name.
12. Long Zake Leave name.
13. Newell Leave name.
14. Palomino Hills
�otion: by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to name
it Palomino Park. Motion earried.
15. Pennock Leave name.
16. Valley Jr. High
� Motion by Gutenkauf, seconded by Hollenbeck �o name it
Valley Middle Park; and to add in small letters under
name "Joint Venture with Independent 196".
Yes - 4• No - 0. Abstained - l. (Dahlen) .
17• Westview Previously changed to Hayes Field,
18. Wildwood Leave narne.
Ms. Rodriguez stated many people associate this with a pri-
vate pa,rk going with the Wildwood Addition. Mr. Naegeli
stated the park signs would carry �the City logo which would
distinguish it as a City park.
Mr. Bassett stated he would like all the park signs �o
read "Apple Valley Parks and Recreation Department"m in
small letters across the bottom. �'
19• School Properties , Regional Parks or Special Areas and Fac-
ities would not be changed.
Ms . Sterling questioned if there were any new parks not printed on
the list. Mr. Bassett replied no.
Park Committee then returned to the five parks tabled. Ms. Sterling
asked if it was agreeable with everyone to send the Council those
park names recommended excluding the five tabled for later consider-
ation.
MOTION : by Naegeli, seconded by Gutenkauf, to send list of all parks
discussed and named, less those tabled, to the Ci�ty Council .
If a decision is made later on those five they eould be
added. Motion Carried.
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Mr. Bassett asked if it was their intent that the list be sent to
the City Coun�il or to the Historical Committee for their review.
Ms . Hollenbeck stated she felt the list should be sent to the
Historical Committee as a courtesy showing what we have done.
She stated they would be meeting the next week.
l�r. Dahlen said he felt the list should contain the criteria of
why these names were chosen. Ms. Hollenbeek �'��t it would be
self-explanatory. Ms. Sterling stated she fel�t criteria was
needed.
Mr. Naegeli stated he didn't think they should have to pick from
�h�- g�ap�'s names submitted. Ms. Hollenbek said she didn't think
it would be fair if �nly one was picked, adding that of the first
four one is deceased, and �f the three living two were sti11 act-
ive. Ms . Sterling said some of the names used now are very
historical and go way back, and some are ;�egional that are �asily
located by their names. She said she would like to see: some named
because of their area, and some because of the historical signifi-
cance but there could be names also of people who worked for the
beginning of App3e Valley.
Ms. Hollenbeck said in the beginning people weren't paid, they
were a group of dedicated people and felt this should be used as
the criteria. She stated they were a group of dedicated people
who were the first to volunteer. She felt the idea �i�h the five
names of the origin�l was that they were the first who volunteered
and then later were elected because they were the first group,
particularly the first mayor. She stated many eities have parks
n�med for the first mayor, or the first of anything. Some of
these five continued on and have worked many years . but they were
members of the first Council and she saw no reason why the people
originally involved iM setting up Apple Valley shouldn't be used.
She added she didn•�t feel families who donated land for parks should
have a park named after them because they had to give the land with
the development as a part of the rules of acquiring land for parks.
She said that of the five parks that v�ere tabled she would see
nothing wrong in seleeting those first four names discussed and
selecting anothe'r for the fifth. Her recommendation being that
parks be named after the original Council people who are no longer
involved in City Government.
Mr. Dahl�n stated that there was a lot of s ace to
be mc�r e p grow and would
parks. Mr. Naegeli stated there wouldn't be that many more,
adding that he disagreed on not using names of those who dedicated
land ; that if hadn't been for �hampson Apple Valley might not be
here at all . Ms. xollenbeck stated if he hadn't developed someone
elso would have. Mr. Naegeli sited South St. Paul, and stated
it hasn•t grown in 30 or �0 years, so it couldn•t be said that
someone else would have developed.
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Ms. Hollenbeck stated she didn't feel anything was owed to some of
these people. Mr. Naegeli questioned how just five na�r►es could
be picked. Ms. Hollenbeck stated the reason it was brought up
was because there were enough names.
Mr. Naegeli said he like the Historical Committee's suggestion
of Tintah for Greenleaf IV. He said it had some indian signifi-
cance, and he liked the name. Ms. Sterling s�ated she felt the
name Largen should be considered because he not vnly ovvned land,
he was a good volunteer whb worked very hard, and he was the first
mayor.
Mr. Bassett stated they might consider the criteria being a dis-
tinction between being a landowner and that of a ci�ty father.
Ms. Sterling stated she didn't fe�el being a landowner sY�ould count.
She added that Mr. Ulrich had also worked very hard. Mr. Naegeli
pointed out that the two often times go hand in hand.
Ms. Gutenkauf suggested naming Greenl;�af IV as T�ampson Park.
MOTION : by Naegeli , seconded by Gutenkauf, to name Scott Highlands
Park after the fi�st Mayor - Largen Park.
Nis. Gutenkauf questioned why City Hall Park shouldn't be named
after I,argen. Mr. Naegeli stated Scott Highlands had -to be re-
named and he was suggesting Largen after the first �ayor. He
stated being Mayor was a lot different than being a Council
Member. �tr. Bassett stated he wasn't disagreeing, however he
asked if there was a better person to name the City Hall Park after
than the first Mayor, �nd if so who would they name it after.
Mr. Dahlen asked why it shouldn•t remain Gity Hall Park. Ms. Sterling
replied that a big eentral park was hoped for in the center of Apple
Valley, and there couldn't be two City parks. Mr. Naegeli stated
he felt the first Mayor was something different tha� first Council
Members.
M��ion �n the floor to name Scott Highland as Zargen Park.
YES : 1. NO - 2. (I?ahlen & Holler�beek) . Abstained - 2. (Sterling
and Gutenkauf) . Motion failed.
MOTION : by Gutenkauf, seconded by Dahlen, to name City Hall Park
as Largen Park.
Mr. Naegeli stated he felt this too politieal ; that Scatt Iiighland
had to be renamed whieh was wh� he had suggested I,argen Park;
but he felt that was diff�rent than naming the Gity Hall Park after
Largen.
Motion on the floor to name City Hall Park as Largen Park.
YES - 4• ND - 1. (Naegeli) . Motion carried.
Mr. lYaegeli stated his no vote was because they were not just nam-
ing a �ark, but were naming City Hall Park.
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Scott Highlands Park:
Mr. Naegeli stated this park was a priority for renaming. He
added that Mr. Delaney basically owned the land where Northstar
Concrete is located, though he did not own the 160 acres where
�the school is located he did own the land directly to the south.
Ms. Sterling stated that Delaney had been suggested at the last
meeting far Greenleaf IV because it was a good sized park,
howe�er in talkin� of the names brought up she now felt this would
be her second choice.
Mr. Dahlen stated if names were going to be picked there needed
to be some criteria. Ms. Hollenbeck stated there was a mixture,
first eonstable, first city couneil . first mayor, first town
board, and a first landowner and developer. �Ir. Basset-t said he
agreed there needed to be more solid criteria; then they could
go with the list of names they had and perhaps there would be
others . Ms. Sterling stated Apple Valley has a history, though
it now doesn't go back as far as other cities but it would, and
it would go back �o Delaney and Largen. She stated she felt
a significant mi�ture should be used beca�se others would be old
names eventually and they started Apple Valley.
MOTIOIV : by Gutenkauf, to change Greenleaf IV to Delaney Park.
Mr. Naegeli stated he didn't think they should have any names.
Perhaps Delaney, he said, because he was one of the first, and is
now deceased which could be a part of the criteria in that they
wouldn't be naming anything after a living person. Ms. Gutenkauf
stated they would hav� �through the whole list using that criteria
and that Carrollwood ws��.�ld have to be renamed. Mr. Naegeli stated
that he had meant from now on; that there was enough problem in
deciding what to name these parks wi�thout going baek.
Motion on the floor to name Greenleaf IV as Delaney Park. Mo'tion
failed for lack of a second.
MOTION : by Hollenbeck to change Scott Highlands to Delaney Park.
Mr. Dahlen questioned how they could name parks after people with-
out criteria having been set up, particularly when there isn�t
a good reason for doing so. Ms. Sterling the criteria of landowners
has been used, however they were considering not just landowners
but people like Mr. De7.aney who was a landowner, but also was
chairman of the first town boaxd. Mr. Bassett stated there were
a lot of other parks that had names with no mear�ing whatsover,
and there was some rationale to having a Scott Highland Park
making more sense than a lot af the other reasons.
Ms. Hollenbeck stated if the pa,rk was named Scott Park now, and
then land was donated by the Scott Highland School there would be
two Seott Parks. She asked about calling it Highland Park.
Ms. Sterling stated �here was a person by the name of Highland
and she had been told it was the reason for the two names used.
Mr. Bassett stated the name was spelled Hyland, and he felt s
Higlands had been used comparing the land to that in Ireland.
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Motion on the floor to change Scott Highlands to Delaney Park.
YES - l. NO - 3. (Dahlen, Naegeli, Gutenkauf) . Abstained 1 -
Sterling) . Motion failed.
Ms. Hollenbeck stated she agreed with Mr. Dahlen about making
rules and regulations. She asked if the Committee wanted a
Delaney Park. Ms. Sterling said that discussion last meeting
was that a paxk should be Mamed Delaney since he was on the
town board and one of the historical people. Mr. �laegeli sta�ted
he thoughtthey should have a completely different name, or that
they call it Scott Park. Ms. Steriing stated Mr, Scott was a
landowner, but that he didn't work for the beginning of Apple
Valley. Mr. Naegeli suggested these be tabled until spring�
that every park except four Mave now been named, and the Committee
e4uld afford to delay until the end of the month or th� first of
March.
Ms. Rodrigueti suggested they could use Delaney for Diamond Path
Park. Ms. Sterling stated they had named a park for the first
mayor. Ms. Hollenbeck said that she wouldn't have voted for
that if she hadn't thought they were g4ing to go through with the
rest of the names. and that in using Delaney they would he elim-
inating the other three f�.rst Council Members; Natwick, Ulrich,
and Thorberg.
Ms . Sterling suggested all names, exc.�-� the fo�r �ab7.ed, be
sent to the Historical Committee, and on to the City Council
for their second meeting in February. She suggested the Committee
spend a rnonth going to the library and talking with people,
so that each could come to the first meeting in March with cri-
teria and suggested names for the four parks along with their
reasons for chosing the name.
Mr. Naegeli sta°ted he felt the Committee would be in trouble once
they started using names, though he felt Scott Highlands should
be changed. He questioned why just this list was being looked
at when possibly there were others bac� in history that should
be used. He stated he was not in agreement on usiMg names.
Mr. Bassett said the Historical Committee has several other indian
names they might wan�° to consider. Ms. Hollenbeck said she would
prefer using the amercian version of the indian name.
s. Park Si�na�e :
Mr. Bassett reported that the rauter wasn't in as yet, but he
expected it the following week. He said the Committee should de-
cide what role they wanted to play in the park signage. He asked
if it was their feeling they wanted to come up with layouts, or
if they wanted a passive role and he would bring in suggestions.
He requested that each member either bring in a picture of a sign
they h�pp�n to see, or tell him the address and he would take a
picture. He circulated some photo's he had for review. Mr. Dahlen
stated he traveled quite a bit and would be �alling to take pictures.
Mr. Naegeli questioned if names rather than the national symbols
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wasn't already agreed upon. Mr. Bassett stated it was.
Ms. Hollenbeck said she would like to see a green �ree with
the red apple used.
Ms. Sterling suggested since they had elected r�4t to use a
consultant that a little extra money be sg�nt on having a co�ple
of signs made up when the router comes in for samples.
Mr. Bassett stated he would� be meeting with a sign et�mpany and
tha� he might get some ideas from them. He said he was looking
far effective signs; i.e. , a 12" board, ��unted on 6 x 6•s, with
the name of the park, and in smaller letter at the bottom "Apple
Yalley Park and RECreation Department" , and the logo on the 12"
board.
6. Arbor Da�r:
Mr. Bassett said that he and Mr. Gullifer had not had the oppor-
tunity to taik further about Arbor Day. Ms. Sterling reported
she had talked with Mr. Gullifer but that he hadn't mentioned
anything so she was assuming he was still working on plans.
7• Future Park Development :
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Mr. Bassett said he wpuld soon have a recap of all expenses in-
curred during 1980. He said he was not sure how mueh excess dollars
they might have for extra projects. He said any new pro�ects
should be in terms of those talked about in the bond issue, and
before they could get into a lot of additional projeets any money
left should be spent on the perimeters, hard surfaced areas and
touehing up the rough edges on the parks should corne first.
He stated they had gone over a list c�n -�he buildings with the
architect and construction company, and the architect was making
them go back and redo some. He felt the architect was doing a
good job in follow up. He said 50� of the painting is yet to
be done. He suggested they be thinking about a priori�y list
as far as future pa.rk development.
8. Other Items :
Mr. Naegeli asked if Marlys Overgard was still the Paxk Commi�tee
Liaison. Nir. Bassett reported they had not made new appointments
at this time.
MOTTON : by Naegeli, seconded by Gutenkauf, for meeting to adjourn.
Y� - 5• N4 - 0. Motion carried.
Ms• Sterling stated she would not be pres��t at next meeting,
February 17th, and alsa that Mr. Miller would be absent.
Meeting adjourned at 9 :30 p.m.
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