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HomeMy WebLinkAbout11/18/1980 � � CITY OF APPLE VALZEY PARK COMMITTEE November l8, 1980 PRESENT : Virginia Sterling, Mike Bassett, Joanne Hollenbeck, Carolyn Rodriguez , Bob Naegeli , Dave Miller, Marlis Overgard. ABSENT: Dennis LaComb, Rita Gutenkauf. l. Call to Order. Chairman Sterling called the meeting to order at 7 :00 P.M. 2. Approval of Minutes of October 7 , 1980 Meetin�. Committee Members were not in agreement with the minutes and they were not approved. Approval of Minutes o�' October 1 , 1980 Meetin�. Minutes were not available, and may be lost. A�enda. Overgard asked the Committee to add an item to the Agenda, i.e. , Discuss and adopt a resolution regarding the rezoning of land to residential that had already been designated park land. She ex- plained that the Beckman land had been. on the Council's past agenda and had been tabled until November 20th, and that Barbara Savanick had contacted her because there was no comment from the �ark Committee. It was Barbara's feeling that the Park Committee should look at it again and make a recommendation to the Council. In giving the history of this property she stated Mr. Beckman had come in with a preliminary plat duri�.g the early years of the '�0's , and again in 78 or 1979, and that Dakota County was going to purcriase this land for a park rather �han go through condemnation proceedings. They have let it lay, and now say they aren't interested in buying the Beckman property but would buy the adjacent Rollin's property. Her understanding was that they have started condemnation proceedings at the present time . Rodriguez �uestioned if this would not have to go through the Metro Council since the land use is for a park. Overgard replied that it couldn't un�il the guidelines were approved. Miller stated he felt that with a rezoning of this type there should be more people involved, especially when the Comprehensive Plan :' and Land Use Guide are involved. Rodriguez stated that logically both pieces of land should be park. Miller questioned if the Council couldn't send this item back to the Planning Commission. Park Committee Min�s • November 18 , 1980 Page 2 Bassett stated this parcel came up a couple of years ago and the County was to again pursue it, and did go as far as getting appraisals but felt it was too much money and shelved it along with the Rollin's property, Bassett explained this parcel con- sisted of 10 acres which would give the park one acre and cash could be taken along with an easement for a connection to the golf course and to the county park. Suggestion was made by Naegeli that Sterling be sent a copy of any agenda containing an item the Park Committee might be in- terested in. Bassett agreed, and further stated that during the period of heavtr development a session was normally called to include the developer, consulting engineer, himself and others to go over a check list so that he could come back to this Committee with the information. RESOZUTION : by Miller, Seconded by Naeg�li; when any land desig- nated in the Apple Valley Comprehensive Guide Plan is being considered for other use the Park Committee shall review such changes prior to any decision by the Council. YES : UNANIMOUS . Discussion of Beckman PropertV: RESOLUTION : by Rodriguez , Seconded by Hollenbeck; Park Committee approved the rezoning of Beckman's property with an easement on the east side and cash in lieu of park land. YES : UNANIMOUS . Discussion of Rollin's Property: RESOZUTION : by Rodriguez , Seconded by Hollenbeck; Rollin's i_; �>-- property should be an intregal part of the Zebanon Hills Regional Park with the recommendation that it definitely be purchased by the County. YES : UNANIMOUS . (Bassett to prepare the above resolutions for presentation to Council - see attached) . 3 . Discuss Namin� of Parks. Sterling stated this item was discussed at last month's meeting �.nd people from the Historical Committee were planning to attend this meeting. She said some of the parks , and in particular those not now named, need to be considered before spring and given names children could pronounce. � DISCUSSION : ' Naegeli stated he felt the Park Committee should do the actual naming and this Committee had asked the Historical Committee for suggestions. Park Committee Minu� � November 18 , 1980 Page 3 Miller stated the actually naming of the parks was something the Park Committee was charged with, but input was asked of the Historical Committee because this Committee did not want to get into the researching. He added that the historical significance should be considered. Bassett suggested a work session ��eduled with the Historical Committee so that procedures can be worked out, with �he full understanding of both Committees that this has to be done in the winter months so they will be named by spring. Sterling questioned if he met all parks , and if so she would not agree, and suggested a list of � or 8 parks . Naegeli stated parks that have carried a name for many years shouldn't be changed. Sterling said that Apple Valley is only 15 to 20 years old, but some 50 years from now people might come back looking for his- torical points and not just those carrying family names. She went on to say that there are now two Scott Highland Parks so one needed to be changed, as well as those carrying street numbers which needed to carry a location type name. M�TIONs by Naegeli , Seconded by Rodriguez ; Item be tabled until the first meeting in January. YES : UNANINiOUS . A list of parks for primary consideration was composed as follows : l. Apple Valley East. 2. Greenleaf Four. 3. Diamond Path. �. Scott Highlands. 5. Nordic South. 6. Carrollwood. 7. City Hall Park. �. Discuss Park Si�n.a�e. Bassett stated there was a need for signage of all parks ; i.e. , names , directional signs , etc . , and that he would eventually like to work with a consultant or someone who could give their ideas or direction. He felt there should be a standard format or logo so all signs would look the same in all parks . Naegeli felt there should definitely be writing on them rather than pictures . Bassett presented a catalogue showing a sign making machine, and stated that if such a machine was purchased the signs could be made in-house by the maintenance people during slack periods. Miller questioned the number of signs involved, and Bassett stated there were 35 parks , most with two entrances , all of which would need signing as well as the directional signs , which would �.lso include the golf course. He added that even a small sign could cost as much as $200 if made outside the City. He asked if they wanted -direction from a sign man who could come up with a logo . Park Committee Min�s � November 18 , 1980 Page 4 Sterling inquired if they would be available by spring, especi- ally those for the unnamed parks . Bassett stated he would see no problem. Miller said this Committee should take on the responsibili ty of what the signs would look like. Rodriguez asked if it would be possible to use the Apple Valley logo. Naegeli stated that such a machine would cost $2,000 and suggested that Park and Recreation Departments could buy it together, and if other departments would want to use it they could pay for its use. He added he didn't feel it cou ld be justified until a cost estimate was obtained on all the signs needed. He questioned which fund would be used for such a purpose, his feeling being that it shouldn't come from bond funds. Bassett stated there were three alternatives ; l. no signs ; 2. build own; or 3. have them built by someone else. He stated this purchase would be a ligitimate expense from bond funds. Sterling asked for a recommendation. MOTION : by Rodriguez , Seconded by Hollenbeck; Committee decide on signs themselves without the use of a consultant. Naegeli suggested any decision relative to a machine be tabled until December so that the total cost could be known. Bassett to obtain such information. Bassett said that the price would go up on December 15. 5 . Review plat for development south of Cedar- Park Elementary. Sterling located this land west of Cedar Avenue , north of 160th Street , and south of Newell Drive. Bassett said that 16.3 acres of land was purchased in 1976 for Cedar Park School , and the City got an option for g.30 acres for whi�l� the Park Department would reimburse the School at time of development. A written agreement was entered into at that time. Bassett stated the cost of the land at time of purchase was $55�8 per acre and would cost the park fund a total of $51 ,598 without any special assessments that might be against the land. He added that there would be some extra land picked up at the time of paying of the school which could add another � to 5 acres to park property. He stated cash could be taken in lieu of land, or the 9.3 acres kept for a park and the difference taken in cash at $7 ,000 per acre. He said there would be two access points leading into the school and park property. Sterling felt there definitely needed to be a path from Newell because of the children walking to school. Park Committee Mir.�s • November 18 , 1980 Page 5 Bassett stated this agreement was executed by the City and School District in 1976, and it now has come to a reality. He added this park also would need a name. Sterling questioned if this land was needed. Naegeli stated there would be 9.3 acres to purchase and approximately another 5, which would make a nice sized park in that corner of the City where there isn't any at present. Bassett added that the school would have the use of our land and vice versa. Rodriguez questioned road access. Also , she stated that in taking cash in lieu of land there would be $50,000 for the park fund as well as having a park already in place when the people move in without the necessity of a bond issue. Naegeli said he would hate to give up the land, especially in this area. He asked when the decision had to be made, and Bassett replied it had to be at this meeting. Naegeli stated that when time came for the actual design of the park it might be found that another acre was needed in order to extend a field. Rodriguez questioned why the easement cutting through this pro- perty could not be utilized with Bassett replying that it could be utilized but could not be built upon. Sterling stated the 9.3 acres had to be paid for. She asked for recommendations . Bassett stated there might come a time when additional money was needed for other acres, and this money could be placed in the park dedication fund for that use. MO'ILCON: by Sterling, Seconded by Hollenbeck; To take cash in lieu of land, paying off the 9.3 acres that is owed to the School District at the agreed price, and placing the remaining money in the park dedication fund. YES 3. No 2. Motion carried. 6. Park Development Update. Bassett spoke to the status of park development as per the attached report. Naegeli referred to item six, stating that the architects should have known about the ejector system, and questioned why the Committee had not been made aware of a possible problem. Bassett agreed that the Committee should have been notified at that time of a possible problem. He stated that a septic system would have cost more than the sewage ejector. No action required on this item. (Report Attached) . Park Committee Mir�s November 18, 1980 � Page 6 7 . Other items b.y Committee : Sterling asked if there were sufficient agenda items to necessitate two meetings in December. Members agreed to one meeting only. The next meeting of the Park Committee will be December 16, 1980. Naegli moved the meeting be adjourned. Seconded by Rodriguez . UNANIMOUS . Meeting adjourned at 9 :37 P.M. wb