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CITY OF APPLE VALLEY
PARK COMMITTEE MINUTES
r • JANUARY 25, 1978
PRESENT: Bob Naegeli , Ginny Sterling, Joe Bell , Roger Wangen, Mike Chulyak,
Ellen Milos, Jake Frank & Mike Bassett.
ABSENT: None.
Chairman Wangen called the meeting to order. �
The minutes of the January 11, 1978 meeting were corrected as follows:
Page #2, second para. from the end -- should say, �whether a bond issue
wil�l be presented again will be decided at a later date." Under
Cost of Sales on page #2, Profit should be 25% (not 24%) .
Minutes were approved as corrected. �
1. Discussion of Agenda
a. Y.M.C.A. -- Mr. Adkins could not attend this evening because of illness; Mr.
Bassett will c�ntact Mr. Adkira� regarding having him attend the February 8, ;
1978 meeting. I,
. Wangen reported that the Councilmembers that he spoke with and other members
of the General public are very interested in the idea of the YMGA coming to
Apple Valley and meeting with the Park Committee. The members of the Park
Corrrnittee were in agreement that there is a sincere interest on the part of
the citizens of the City and on the part of the City Counci1 and the Park
Committee will move forward to have Mr. Adkins come and ta1k to the Corr�nunity.
b. Other Items
INUTES -- Roger recommended that the minutes include the discussion
and at the end of each agenda item he will give a summary of the
item discussed or a recommendation.
Chairman Wangen thanked Bob Naegeli for his service as Chairman of the Park:
it was noted that he was always present and did a lot of work for thP C�ni�tee.
ESTABLISHING GOALS FOR THE PARK COMMITTEE: Roger read the following proposed
goals and asked the Committee members to bring further recorrrnnnendations and
ideas to the next meeting.
Primary Purpose of the Apple Valley Park Corr�nittee: Advise the City Council
in relationship to planning and development of parks.
Specific Goals --
1. To achieve positive relationships with the Council and citizens.
• 2. To prepare a twenty-year park plan for the City.
3. To prepare (review and revise) the Five Year Comprehensive Park & Recreation
Systems Plan and a saleable bond referendum.
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• 4. To consider ordinance changes regarding park dedication requirements.
5. To work with service organizations in naming and working on the parks.
6. To seek community involvement whenever feasible, to assist in planning
the Apple Valley park system.
7. To see recreational facilities from the private sector.
8. To accelerate publicity (favorable) regarding positive efforts by the
Park Committee.
Mike Bassett recommended that these goals be incorporated into the goals and policies
of the Five Year Systems Rlan.
20 YEAR SYSTEM PLAN -- Chairman Wangen presented the following in reference to develop-
ing a 2D Year Plan for Parks in Apple Valley.
1. Estimated Population Figure§:
A. Present Population (1978) 19,000
B. 10 Year Population (1988) 30,000
C. 20 Year Population (1998) 42,000
D. Ultimate Population ( ? ) 77,OQ0
2. Park Land Requirements by Population (Mr. Wangen asked that a Chart be prepared
• showing �he requirements by acres & number of parks -- what is in existence and
also the different types of park .requirements.
3. Plans for obtaining funds for development
A. Bond Issue
B. Realignment of ordinance for dedication
C. Seeking monies payable to the City from the Private Sector
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DISCUSSION: Chulyak stated he felt it was a good idea; however recammended that it
be a general plan;not presented as something that is absolutely going to happen.
Mike Bassett recommended that the scope of the Five Year Plansbe expanded. He also
recommended that an ad hoc: corrnnittee be selected to work with the P1anning Comnission
on the Comprehensive Plan. The following will work as that Committee: Roger Wangen,
Joe Bell and Ginny Sterling & Ellen Milos.
PARK COMMITTEE APPOINTMEIdTS: Mike Bassett asked for names or reeommendations from any-
one on the Park Committee that might be interested in serving on the Park Committee.
ALIMAGNET LAKE PARK: Mike Bassett stated that Carl Vogt, of The Environmental Collab-
orative, would like to come back to the Park Comnittee to go over some of the new
ideas, etc. for Alimagnet Park. Possibly on February 8th.
• COMP. PLAN MTG. ON PARKS: John Voss will meet with the Park Committee on February 22
in reference to the Comprehensive Plan.
PR�CEDURE FOR CHANGE IN ORDINANCE: Naegeli questioned what the procedure was for
changing the Park Dedication Ordinance. Mr. Bassett stated that �ll ordinances must
be appraved and adopted by the City Council .
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i2. Park Dedication Ordinance -- Discussion ',
Mike Bassett distributed the attached memo. He noted that the basic intent of the
Park Dedication Ordinance is to provide neighborhaod parks. '
DISCUSSION ON MEMO FROM MRB: Mr. Bassett pointed out that the $3,OOQ,000 figure is
an arbitrary figure, it is used just to give an idea: as to where to go. The memo
shows a figure of about 10% far dedication.
R' combination of land and cash was discussed. Bassett stated that this was a poss-
ibility; however, it would have to be legal . He read a portian of the State Law
which states that a reasonabTe portion of the proposed can be required for dedication.
This is a relatively new law; there have been some test eases and these need to be
reviewed. The "reasonab1e figure" was discussed. It was� recommended that if the
ordinance were changed and a dollar figure charged with the building permit it should
be set so it cou1d be inflata6le. The Committee members emphasized the fact that the
funds should not have to be spent in the area that it is deriVed from.
The memo was discussed at length; on the bottom of page one the la�t paragraph was
corrected to read 75%, not .75� -- the reason this figure was used is because the
multiple dwelling units would not pay as much as the single family in that they
would not be us�rng the park system as much; they have fewer ar no ch�ldren and they
are usually younger chi1dren.
Wangen summarized the discussion; The following advantages of the proposed ordinance
� change were:
1. Provides for a good budgeting system; wiTl know what they have to have.
2. Easier for the developer to come into the City; he wouldn't have to put out
money immediately.
3. Easily adjusted by the Park Committee and City by updating the program each
year -- inflate each year.
4. Prevents against significant alterations in land values.
5. Possibility of more land for parks without requiring anything in the future.
Example: Land that no one wants to develop because it would be too costly --
it may be land that might be developed for a park area.
6. The system would pay for a good deal that would be developed in the future and
in the payment of bond issues.
The Committee members were generally in favor of a combination of cash and land
dedication; a formula will have to be developed that is reasonable and won't look
higher than those in other communities. It will have to be determtned as to what
is reasonab1e legal1y. Mike Bassett will have the attorrrey find some court cases
to see what types of dedication were requir�d where municipa1ities lost. It was
also recommended that the business and industrial areas be addressed in the park,
dedication ordinance. It was also recommended that the park and ponding dedicatlons
� be separated in the ordinance.
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� The Park Committee will further discuss a change to the ordinance at the next meeting;
, a combination of land and cash will be pursued, the percentage wi1l be assessed,
further discussion of the park and ponding and the percentages. Mr. Bassett stated
that he.r�ill talk to other park directors and find out how some of the other policies
are working and report back at the next meeting.
3. Timetable for future bond issue -- discussion.
Wangen stated he felt that reasons for a need for a park bond issue needed to be
established. He gave the following as some of the reasons for the need:
a. Growing population.
b. Increasing costs for development.
c. Increasing casts for land purchases.
d. Improving appearance and integrity of the City.
e. Insure space for environmental - natural areas.
f. Provide historical sites.
He pointed out a need for a simple form to present to the City Council to show that
the City needs this bond issue.
Naegeli suggested that the Committee adopt the Timetable and send a cover letter stating
that the Committee is proceeding with plans for another bond issue proposal . Bassett
stated that the timetable and cover letter could be put on tl�e Council Agenda. The
Committee feels that they want the concurrence of the Counci1 before they proceed any
. further. One reason that was stated as a need was that we have 14 partially develaped
parks and 17 undeveloped parks. It was recor�nended that the cover letter give a state- �,
ment of intent and state the reasons. '
' The Committee discussed when they should make a public announcement that they are
planning a bond issue for the Spring of 1979. Should it pre�pt the school bond issue,
it was noted that the public could go either way -- if nothing is said and the school
bond issue passes comments could be made that one passed -- now they're coming; after
another one. Or just the opposite could be stated -- it was agreed to proceed to the
-City Council concurrence.
MOTION: of Naegeli , seconded by Bell to ask that a Timetable for the Future Bond Issue
a ded to the Cit Council
d e i als and needs be forw r
an a cover letter s tt n o Y
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as an agenda item for the �February 8, 1978 Council Meeting.
Motion carried unanimously.
There was some discussion on the Timetable; Milos emphasized the importance of having the
brochure prior to any public meetings. Chulyak suggested using "mid" or "early° or °late"
rather than specific dates in the Timetable.
4. Questionnaire concerning parks -- Ginny Sterling
Ginny distributed copies of the attached questionnaire and reviewed it wi�h members of
the Committee. Joe Bell recommended that the questionnaire be prepared more with a
multiple choice rather than asking people to write down something; he also recommended
using Yes, No or Undecided. There was some discussion on the best method for the
. survey -- distribution with the water bills, door to door survey or a survey via the
telephone. Chulyak suggested using members of civic groups to assist with the phone
survey. It was also suggested that under #12 the "none° be moved to the end -- use
the Qther options first. Wangen asked the Corr�nittee members to review the proposed
questionnaire and make suggestions at the next meeting.
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� 5. Report on School Bond Issue Meeting concerning site selectTOn -- Joe Bell .
Joe Bell distributed the attached report on the school bond proposal . Mr. -Bassett
reported that he talked with Dr. Drogemueller and he reiterated that the City was
interested in a joint program. Dr. Drogemueller stated that the board has al1owed
up to farty acres for a middle school site; Mike asked about fifty acres and Dr.
Drogemueller felt that might be a problem, however, he was very open to suggestions
and interested in a joint program. Ne would like to see the Council respond and
the City & School District going into a joint purchase and deve1opment of a site.
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The Park Committee meeting was adjourned.
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