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HomeMy WebLinkAbout01/11/1978 i � +` • � CITY OF APPLE VALLEY � PARK COMMITTEE MINUTES JANUARY 11, 1978 PRESENT: Bob Naegeli, Ellen Milos, Joe Bell, Mike Chulyak, Ginny Sterling, Roger Wangen and Mike Bassett. ABSENT: Jake Frank Chairman Naegeli called the meeting to order. Minutes of the December 28, 1977 meeting were approved as written. Mr. Naegeli introduced Joe Bell, a new committee member who was appointed by the City Council on December 22, 1977. 1. Election of Officers A. Chairman of the Co�ittee -- Mike Chulyak nominated Roger Wangen as Chairman of the Park Committee and a unanimous ballot was cast. B. Vice Chairman of the Committee -- Ginny Sterling nominated Mike Chulyak and he declined. Roger Wangen nominated Ginny Sterling to serve as Vice Chairman of the Park Committee and a unanimous ballot was cast. Roger Wangen accepted the Chair at this time. . 2. Park Dedication Ordinance -- Mike Chulyak presented the following information which he stated were approxima.tions and he has not had time to check them out with City Staff. The present dedication is 10% for park, 5% for ponding or a total of 12%. The City gets a raw land price when they take cash in lieu of land for park dedication purposes. The developer is then turning around and developing that property. He feels that there should be a better adjustment than a raw land price. Mike presented the following: For example -- On a forty acre parcel, the park dedication would be about four acres; the raw land price is currently about $4,000; at three lots to the acre the developer would have an additional twelve lots. Figuring roughly $7,000 per lot development costs, i.e. sewer, water, etc. -- the development cost of those twelve lots would be about $84,000. The developer would gross about $144,000 for the twelve lots minus the $84,000 development costs and minus the $16,000 paid to the City for park dedication. The developer's profit would be approximately $44,000. Mike noted that these figures are arbitrary and he doesn't know if we can arrive at a different percentage; however, it is his feeling that the City would be better off to take the land and turn around and sell it. He would like to figure some way that the City could receive more funds when they choose to take cash in lieu of parkland for dedication purposes. Bell asked what other communities are getting -- Bassett refered to the survey done by Voss that accompanied the Comprehensive Plan Study on Open Sp�ce and Parks. There was some discussion about adding a fee for parks to the building permit cost. The charge could be higher for a home bldg. permit in an area where cash was received • in lieu of land. Bassett stated that the Council, Planning Commission and Park Committee must look care- fully at the Ordinance; it is important that it is fair to the City and also fair to the developer. The City could consider get€ing various appraisals for different areas so we have a comparison when a plat comes in. � Page ��2 - `�Park Committee Minutes • • - 1/11/78 Chulyak stated that if $200.00 ger building permit were charged when we received cash , in lieu of land for a forty acre plat; the City would receive the $16,000 for the four acre park dedication, plus an additional $24,Q00 in a development with approximately 120 lots. This $200 amount would be payable with the building permit. He also noted that it should be stated that these funds would not have to be spent in the park in that particul�r area. The Committee was in agreement to further consider this avenue of change in the ordinance. Naegeli also pointed out that if we charge other than the raw land price for property from the developers the City should be prepared to pay other than the raw land price if they purchase land. Bassett reviewed the Data from the Appraisal received on Timberwick III. DEVELOPMENT APPROACH - 5 Single-Family Residence Sites The subject property is capable of being developed into five home sites of adequate size and shape, and comparable to the three residential sites as recorded on the following pages. Development would be over the period of a year with the estimated results as follows: SALES (5 residential sites) @ $15,000 $7�,000 Cost of Sales 200 foot roadway @ $90.00 $18,000 Site Preparation 0 Platting, engineering, etc. 4,000 • Sales (10%) & Profit (,�,5%)=2�/ of $75,000 18,750 Interest on Investment (1 Year) 3,670 TOTAL COSTS 44,420 $30,580 INDICATED VALUE OF SITE IN PRESENT CONDITION (SAY) $30,600 (3.21 acres @ $9,533/acre) Chairman Wangen asked Mike Chulyak to work the figures into a proposal for the committee to discuss at the next meeting and then make a proposal to the Planning Commission. The appraisal theory should be incorporated into the presentation. It is important to show the reasons why the Park Dedication Ordinance should be changed; then make a deeision as to "how" it can be changed. Bassett stated that tihe park committee can take the input and analyze it and then take that philosophy to the Staff, Council and, Planning Commission; it is important to make sure that we have all the bugs out before it is put into Ordinance Form. There was further discussion regarding the proposal for the change in the ordinance. The Park System is in need �f funds; whether a bond issue again will be decided at a later date. Gtli/� (k �t�s��r�`�� � Mike Chulyak will be �n charge of a proposal regarding changes in the Park Dedication Ordinance -- he will meet with Mike Bassett and Roger Wangen prior to the next meeting. � �.Page ��3 ', Park Committee Minutes . . 1/11/78 � 3. Tentative Future Bond Issue Timetable. Bassett distributed a "Tentative Future Bond Issue Timetable. Chulyak noted that the School Bond Issue is coming up and the School District is talking about a future Elementary/Middle School Complex; he questioned if the City had talked to the School District in reference to working out a joint complex similar to Valley . Middle School. There was considerable discussion regarding working with the school facility committee to woxk out a joint complex. Naegeli was opposed to the committee working with the school district; the staff can work with Dr. Droegemueller and the school district when considering the complex. Wangen recommended having a representative from the school district to come to a meeting and tell the committee what they would like. Chulyak stated that the school facility committee is meeting on the 12th to diseuss possible sites; Joe Bell stated that he will be attending that meeting and will report back to the Committee at the next meeting. Mr. Bassett will talk to Dr. Droegemueller and get his feelings on the subject. There was considerable discussion regarding the joint school co mplex/athletic complex. Discussion on Timetable -- Wangen stated that it is imperative that the CoIIUnittee do some things that are not on the Timetable. He asked each Committee member to write down on a sheet of paper five reasons why the last bond issue failed; he would like the reasons based on some kind of fact. It is important that the Committee assess why the bond issue failed. He also asked the Committee members to write down five things that should be done; what is most important to pass the next bond issue. The Committee discussed having the brochure for the presentations; they felt not having • it when they were making presentations created a problem. There was discussion on "input meetings" — find out what the civic groups, citizens, etc would like to see in the bond proposal. Get people involved and working for the bond issue. A program or format needs to be drafted before going to the groups. There was diseussion on a questionnaire being mailed with the water bills and also a door to door canvass with a questionnaire. Wa�:�en asked Ginny Sterling to prepare a questionnaire that can be discussed at the next meeting. The Committee discussed the A1ima.gnet Issue with the last bond issue. The Committee members felt that it is important to have a proposal that the Committee can promote and live with. Bassett stated that the Park Committee should review the timetable and then ma:ke a reco�nendation to the City Council for their concurrence. Wangen asked the members to review the proposed timetable and make notes for discussion and possible changes at the next meeting. Wangen pointed out that the Committee should examine all possibilities of bringing things into the City that are park aligned, but from the private sector. The possibility of a YMCA for Apple Valley was discussed. Mr. Bassett reported that he has been in contact with the YMCA and will be contacting a Mike Atkins who is the Director of the Valley YMCA on Monday (Mr. Atkins has been on vacation.). Mr. Bassett spoke to a Mr. Richards who is Vice President of Operations and he stated that the"Y" is interested in having a branch south of the river; they would be moving a branch office to either Burnsville or Apple Valley and then will determine the need for a futur�-:building program. Naegeli pointed out that the YMCA is not inexpensive and • is not something for everyone. Wangen stated that it is important to the City in that it provides opportunities for space and facilities for residents. Naegeli stated that he thinks that it would be good for the City; however, it is important to realize that it will not "save" on park and recreation facilities for the City, it will help the City, but not the Park & Recreation Dept. The Committee agreed that they would like to meet with Mr. Atkins and promote the idea of having the "Y" located in AV. a Page ��4 ' Park Committee Minutes• • ' 1/11/78 � The Committee discussed the attached memo regarding the "Bubble Enclosed Tennis � Courts". The Committee discussed the idea for a future athletic complex -- the location of 8 to 10 tennis courts in one area rather than courts located in the individual neighborhood parks. Bassett pointed out that it is important to con- sider both aspects of the tennis courts in neighborhood parks as well as those located in the athletic complex. The Committee agreed to further discuss the Tentative Timetable at the next meet- ing and make a recommendation to the Council. Mr. Bassett can then Cake the recommendation to the Council in early February. 4. Other Items Due to conflicts of inembers of the Park Committee the meeting tentatively scheduled for January 18, 1978 to work with Mr. Voss on the Comprehensive Plan was cancelled. This will be scheduled for a later date. Mr. Bassett asked the Park Committee members to review their copies of the Trail Plan and this can be discussed when they meet with Mr. Voss. The By-Laws were discussed in reference to attendance. Mr. Wangen will contact Mr. Frank regarding his absenteeism at the Park Committee meetings. The "Name the Apple Valley Parks" program discussed at an earlier meeting with members of the Historical Committee was discussed. Mr. Wangen will contact Mrs. Marlene Romain regarding the Parks that the Committee wishes them to be working . on. Wangen reviewed the items that will be discussed at the next meeting: A. Park Dedication Ordinance Proposal. B. Questionnaire regarding Parks. C. YMCA. D. Proposal for Timetable for Bond Issue -- Statements "why" bond issue failed -- what can be done ta hel.p pass in 1979. E. Report on School Bond proposal. F. Trail Ma.p. Ellen Milos asked about the Park Committee providing articles to the newspapers for further publicity for the Committee and what they are doing. It was agreed that Ellen Milos would be in charge of this area. Bassett agreed that it was okay for her to put articles in the paper. The possibility of sponsoring a Softball Tournament next su�ner to upgrade the hallfields was discussed. The Committee agreed to terminate that idea. Ginny Sterling asked about policy for use of the Pool & Racquet Club..and serving of alcoholic beverages. Meeting was adjourned. .