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HomeMy WebLinkAbout02/08/1978 s • . s � • � CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PARK COMMITTEE MINUTES February 8, 1978 PRESENT: Roger Wangen, Joe Bell , Ellen Milos, Jake Frank, Bob Naegeli , Ginny Sterling, Mike Bassett. ABSENT: None. Chairman Wangen called the meeting to order. Jerry Adkins, Executive Director of the Minnesota Valley Y.M.G.A. gave an overview of the Valley Y.M.C.A. At the present time their offices are located at 82nd Street and 35W in Bloomington. The "Y" is a membership arganization serving the needs of the community. They are a branch of the Minneapolis Y:M.C.A. and are' a non-facility Y.M.C.A. At the present time they have a three year program , with a 1982 goal for a Y.M.C.A. building; they do not know where it will be located ' at this time. The talk is that i� will be south of the River. The plans are for ' a full size indoor pool , a small youth pool , probabTy a double gym, administrative offices, meeting and multi-purpose rooms, a men's health club & a women's health club, locker rooms for men, women, boys & girls, and a greenhouse and industrial arts area. The proposed building would cost about $3,000,000 today and the pro- . jection for 1983 with inflation it will cost in the area of $5,300,000. At the present time they offer programs in the parent/child areas; Y Guides, Y Princesses, Trailblazers, which are father/child ` programs. A program is being developed in the area of Y Maidens �►hich is mother/child program. They have a Fun Club to serve children whose parents are both employed; this is basically a baby- sitting program. They are now offering a floor hockey program for grades 1-3. They hope to start programs in basketball , T-ball , flag football , soccer, etc. in the near future. They have government funds for a Youth Advocate program for pre- deliquency children; they hope to start this next fall .in Scott and Dakota Counties. They hope �o have a full aquatic program by mid-year. Some of their ideas for the future include a Jr./Sr. Teen Program, a Youth in Government Program, Y Leaders Club, a Men's Recreational basketball league, competitive church basketball league, volleyball program, cross country ski programs, tennis, gymnastics, & a total aquatic program. The Y.M.C.A. owns seventy acres of land near Orchard Lake in Lakeville which they are developing.;for a day camp program and on weekends it will be used far family camping. They work closely with the Burnsville School D�strict; they will be relying heavily on the Burnsville, Apple Valley & Lakeville residents to support their programs. The Y.M.C.A. knaws that their future is south of the river. Roger Wangen asked Mr. Adkins what the goals of the Y.M.C.A. are? Mr. Adkins read the Minnesota six corporate goals from the back of his membership card. The programs are designed to achieve these goals. • At the present time they operate their programs on existing community lands or lands that are purchased and are adjacent to a building. They use church property, school property, City parks, and other properties for their prvgrams and `hope-'to be ab1e to use those facilities in this area. � Page #2 Park Committee Minutes � ! ` 2/8/78 . They have a paid staff and also use volunteers to run their programs. Mr. Adkins explained some of the different types of inembership programs. Some �.M.C.A. 's charge a high mem- ber.ship fee -- $200 and a very low or no fee for the miscellane�us programs. He prefers having a lower membership fee and charging a fee for each program; this is the way the Y was operated in St. Louis wMere he had moved from. At the present time they do not know how they will handle the fees. Mr. Adkins was asked what type of things they look for in locating in an area. He stated that they look at the population trends, the cammunities themselves, the business climate. He was asked which of the cor�nunities -- Burnsville or Apple Valley -- looks more attractive at the present time. He stated that he doesn't know yet; they will probably build between the two Cities, possibly close to 35W. Mr. Adkins explained their sustaining membership campaign, the YMCA board, the goal of the YMCA is' no longer "young men" oriented, but is "family" oriented. There was considerable discussion on site selection and the process. Mr. Adkins stated that the YMCA needs to be fifteen minutes from 100,000 people to support the building and program. A site selection cor�ni.ttee will be formed to recommend sites for a Y south of the river; however, the Minneapolis Office downtown will make the �inal decision. He described the Y as a Middle Class Country Club for middle class p�ople. There was some discussion regarding the programs that are offered thru the City Recreation Dept. as well and the VAA and hockey programs. The Y program is a supplement to the programs offered by the City and other associations as the VAA. Naegeli stated that he felt it is more of an alternative program; it gives people a choice. � Mr. Adkins was thanked for his time and he left the meeting. 1�. Approval of Minutes -- Naegeli pointed out that he did not like the format of the January 25, 1978 minutes. There were items in the sur�nary that were not in the discussion. He did not have specific corrections for the minutes. The Minutes of the January 25, 1978 meeting were approved as written. 1B. Announcements: Roger Wangen congratulated Mike Chulyak on his appointment to the Planning Commission and accepted his letter of resignation from the Park Committee. Roger thanked him for his input. Mike Chulyak stated that he hoped that the Park Cor�nittee and the Planning Comnission could work together in the future with mutual goals and concerns and insig�t. 1C. Winterfest 1978 -- Joe Walz;, Apple Valley Recreation Supervisor, presented and reviewed the activities scheduled for the Winterfest to be held on February 18 & 19. 2. YMCA presentation was at the beginning of the meeting. 3. Park Dedication Ordinance: MOTION: of Milos, seconded by Sterling to table discussion on this item until a later date. Motion carried unanimously. 4. Timetable Concurrence -- Wangen distributed and read the proposed memo to be sent to the City Council . Roger reported that Mike Bassett ha� talked to him regarding � having the item on the agenda. It was the feeling of the Mayor and some of the Council- , members that this should not be on the Council agenda until after the School Bond Issue election. Wangen stated that he felt the Park Committee needed to compile facts �nd figures on how "over-burdened" are parks are. Naegeli stated that the memo reflects more of the goals and policies and recor�nended that the subject be changed. It was agreed that the subject should be " Rationale and Proposed Timetable for Future Park Bond Refe'rendum." , . Page #3 . Park Committee Minutes • � 2/8/78 � MOTION: of Naegeli , seconded by Frank to take under further advisement and reconsider the proposed timetable referral to the City Council . Yes - 5 / No - 1 / Abstained - 1 (Sterling) . Frank would like to further discuss the memo at a later date before it goes to the Council . 5. Questionnaire finalization. Wangen referred to the information in the Mounds View letter and sa�d he felt it was some thing to be considered. Naegeli recommended that the Committee arrive at a decision as to how the survey is going to be done rather than decide on the questio�naire and then the method of obtain- ing the information as it will effect the type of questionnaire needed. Sterling stated that she fe1t that the mailing with the water bill wou1d be the best and more people would have the chance to send it in; people will be missed if a phone campaign or door to door campaign were conducted. Bell stated that he agreed the method used would effect how the questionnaire should be developed. He feels the mailing would be the mast effective; however the response is questionable; i_t is less time consuming. Naegeli stated that he feels the survey is too long; it needs to be shorter and m�re conci�e. MOTION: of Bell , seconded by Frank to recorranend to the City Cauncil that the Park Committee submit a qu�stionnaire to the residents of Apple Valley through the water bills or any other City mailing. DISCUSSION: Naegeli stated that he doesn't thi-�k there will be a fair enough response . or a significant response. By phone you could cover everyone in the City; with a door to door survey you cauld take a sample of the cor�nunity. He suggested looking at the other ways before cor�niting to this method. Bell stated that he felt the phone survey could be effective; however, a lot of people will say they are not interested; he has some suggestions as to how the questionnaire could be changed sa that it would be quick to complete in a short time. With either the phone survey or the door to door survey, who is going to do it. Milos said that a certain percentage of the residents will respond from each area of the City in a mailing. �ou have to know how to select numbers in a phone survey. She feels the mailing is the best method because of the time and manpower �imitations. Frank also feels the mai1ing is the best method; some people will be missed in a phone or. door-to-door survey. Wangen stated that an approved quest�onnaire should qo to the Council with the recommendation for the mailing. Naegeli stated that the problem of getting to everyone in Apple Valley isn`t really the problem -- the response is the problem and getting the people to respond to a questionnaire they received in the mail . He recor�nended getting assistance from the service organizations to do a phone survey. Sterling stated that the mailing will give everyone an opportunity to respond. Bell stated that the point is to let everyone know; this is a method of cor�nunicating with the people in the City. VOTE ON MOTION: Yes - 5 / No - 1 (Naegeli). � Content of Questionnaire -- Be11 made a number of recommendations. See the attached revised questionnaire. There was some discussion on the different changes in the proposed questionnaire. 6. Twenty Year Plan discussion. Frank asked that the area of receiving "Grants" for � park development and acquisition be included in this area. MOTION: of Milos, seconded by Sterling to table items 6, 7, and 8 on the Agenda until a later date. Motion carried unanimously. - Page #4 Park Committee Minutes � � 2/8/78 � 9. Other Items. Naegeli pointed out some items in the agenda that he did not agree with; he prefered that the minutes be done as they have been in the past with the discussion included. He refered to page #3, the six points which were not in the diseussion. Wangen stated that this should have just said that he pointed tMese items out as advantages to the proposed ordinance changes. Naegeli atso pointed out on Page #4 the 4th paragraph where it stated that the Committee feels that they want the concurrence of the Council -- Naegeli stated that he does not feel this way -- he stated that it is his understanding that they have had the concurrence of the Counci1 for three years. Naege�i pointed out that the minutes should reflect the different views and philos- ophies of the members. Milos recomnended that periodically a summary of the minutes could be prepared and sent to the members -- someone on the Committee cou1d go thru the minutes and underline items for a Recap. Bassett stated that there needs to be a standardization of the minutes as they go to the Council -- the Cor�nittee is an advisory committee to the Council ; the record should reflect what happens at the meetings. Roger Wangen asked for suggestions for a new Committee member. Ginny Sterling asked that item #7 on the agenda, "Discussion on last band issue failure" be earlier on the agenda so that it can be discussed. MOTION: of Sterling, seconded by Milos to adjourn the meeting. � �