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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/03/1978 .� , . • CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PARK COMMITTEE • MINUTES October 3, 1978 �r�''9ei� PRESENT: Ginny Sterling, Bob lVaegeli , Joe Bell , , Ellen P�ilos, Joanne Hollenbeck, Dave Miller (arrived at 8:25 p.m.). ABSEPdT: None. Vice Chairman Sterling cal1ed the meeting to order. Minutes of the September 19, 1978 meeting were approved as written. 1. Review of Joint Meeting with Lakeville Concerning Pathway Along Cedar Avenue. Bob Naegeli reported that he and Mike Bassett attended the meeting last Tuesday; it was suggested that a trail be built from Cedar Park School to Valley Park. The Committee questioned why it shouldn't be built all the way to County Road #42. The residents would like it to get to the school first and then to the shopping center. They would like to have the trail on the east side of Cedar Avenue; how- ever crossing Cedar would be a problem and a traffic lite at that lacation is not feasible at this time. The feasibility of a trail doesn't look too promising until Cedar Avenue is upgraded. The cost estimates will be checked out and it was also suggested that the Apple Valley business community, Chamber of Commerce be • contacted to get support to approach the City Council . There will probably be another meeting with them at a later date. 2. Comprehensive Plan Meeting Regarding �he` Park Guide. Bob Naegeli reported that he attended the Planning Commission Meeting last Wednesday evening when the Park Guide portion of the Comprehensive Plan was reviewed and discussed. The Planning Commission did not have a problem with the Park Guide which is basically the Five Year Systems Plan. He stated that the Trail Plan aaas also discussed and recommended that Mr. Bassett ask P�1r. Voss to attend a Park Committee meeting in the near future to review the trails plan and address some of the suggestions made at the meeting regarding priorities, a management plan, etc. Bob Naegeli alsa reported that the trail segment along Galaxie is being completed north to 132nd Street and along Johnny Cake Ridge the trail will be completed from 132nd Street north to the Zoo. 3. Discuss the establishment of Dates for Community Input h1eetings.. Wangen stated that he is more interested in having some of the community leaders in the various organizations invited to the meeting. The request for total community input in The Council Table did not get much of a response. Joe Bell questioned what they would do at the meeting. l�hat kind of ineeting is it going to be? Is the Committee going to ask the people in attendance what they would like included in the bond issue? If this is the purpose he doesn't feel it is worth the � � committees time. Ne feels the meeting should be to present what the Park Committee ' plans to include in the bond issue. Joanne Hollenbeck stated tMat since there is concern about "old Apple Valley" voting down a park bond issue; should the people that live in that area around the parks be invited for their input. . ^ Page #2 Park Committee Minute� • 10/3/78 � Naegeli suggested that the Committee have one open meeting; announce that the Park Committee is coming forward with a bond issue in the Spring of the year and present the proposal from the System Plan. Ginny questioned if they should wait until closer to the time for the bond issue to stress the meetings. Naegeli stated that he felt they should have one open meeting prior to the first of the year. Bell would like to see the meeting well publicized for a regular Park Committee meeting night. The Committee would like to see the community leaders invited personally; also other people interested in Parks as well as the community as a whole. It was noted that November 7th is Election day and the first Tuesday in "Jovember -- the Committee agreed to schedule the Community Input Meeting for November 14, 1978 at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers. MOTLON: of Bell , seconded by Wangen that the Park Committee will host a Community Input P�eeting on November 14, '1978 at 7:30 p.m. in the �ouncil Chambers. This meeting will be well publicized in the local newspapers. The reason for this meeting is to receive input from 1'ocal residents regard- ing the App1e Valley Park System. Ellen r1ilos suggested that flyers be printed and distributed in the grocery bags at Penny's & Applebaums to remind people of the meeting. There was some question whether they Park Committee could do that type of advertising. Bell recommended that the Chairman of the Park Committee write a letter to the Edi��or of the newpapers. Naegeli stated that he feels the publicity should state that the Park Committee is making plans for a bond issue in the Spring. Bell stated that other members of the • Committee could also �rite letters to the editor of the Newspapers. VOTE ON MOTION: YES - 6 - NO - 4 Roger Wangen & Joe Bell will both write letters to the Editor. It was noted that the Park Committee would like to review the proposed letters at their next meeting. The Committee would like to have Mike Bassett compose an article for the Newspapers inviting people to the meeting. It was noted that they would like a °Catchy" headline. Ellen Milos stated that she will contact Kathy Weesner regarding an editorial on the Park Bond Issue or Open Meeting for Public Input on the Park Bond Issue. 4. Review Preliminary Plat of High Trail Woods -- Located north of Palomino Drive and South of FutWre T.H. 35E. MOTION: of Milos, seconded by Bell to recommend that the City accept cash in d Plat. r i h rail Woo s lieu of land in the p oposed H g T Bob recommended that the City Council should be asked to take a look at the value of the land more closely than in the past; note that over the last few years the value of the land has increased considerably in Apple Valley. VOTE ON MOTION: YES - 6 - No - 0. E11en stated that the City Council should do a reappraisal and evaluation of the monies received when taking cash in lieu of land. � Naegeli noted that at the Comp. Plan meeting held last week on the Park Guide, MIke Chulyak questioned what had happened to the information that was discussed some time ago about park dedication. The updating of the Park Dedication Ordinance was discussed and l�Jangen also noted that the Park Committee would also like to have some type of dedication of the business and industrial areas. ' ' Page #3 Park Committee Minut� • 10/3/78= i5. Discuss Request by Resident to F1ood Skating Rink in Newell Park. Ginny Sterling:inoted that Newell Park in located about one block from Pennock Park where a skating rink is located. Wangen questioned why a skating area is not proposed for the Cedar Park School area? Ellen Milos noted that the Committee needs to know how much it costs to flood and maintain a skating rink. Joanne Hollenbeck stated that Greening is usually flooded-- it was noted that Greening may not be flooded this year because it wasn't used much last year. She also questioned why another skating area i would be needed at Newell Park if the Greening Rink wasn't used. There was some '� discussion Qn keeping the Hockey players off of the ice rinks at certain parks. The I Committee did not know how this could be accomplished. Bob Naegeli also noted that ��� the local snowmobilers trail goes along the gas easement through that area. The i, Committee agreed that with Greening � Pennock Parks both so close to Newell that it ', doesn't seem economical to Flood a rink at Newell also. ' Ginny Sterling reported that the City plans to build a two-sided shelter at Pennock park to provide a place for the children to put on their skates and get out of the wind. MOTION: of Naegeli , seconded by 4�angen that due to the proximity of Pennock Park to the north and Greening Park to the West that serve more of the people in Apple Valley and due to the costs involved in providing a skating rink, the Park Committee feels that until there is further development in the vicinity of Newell Park a skating rink would not be provided. YES - 6 - NO - 0. � 6. OTHER ITEP�IS A. At the last meeting the Park Committee requested that they be aware of the debt limit of the City of Apple Valley. Ginny reported that Mr. Bassett stated that if the Park Committee comes up with a decent proposal , the Council should go along with it. JoanneHollenbeck, the newly appointed member of the Park Committee, questioned why the last park bond issue failed. She is interested in the opinions of the Park Committee members. They asked her what her opin�ons were. Joanne stated that she is a member of the VAA Board. She stated that alot of people that she talked to felt that the bond issue was being pushed down their throats and comments were made that there are parks that aren't being used. She is concerned about that type of thing getting going again. Wangen stated that it could have been a contributing factor to the failure of the last bond issue. Bell stated that today's climate people-don't want anything pushed down their throats. Joanne stated that some people feel that there are parks, and why can't the kids use them; Greening Park is an example, it just isn't being used. She said that alot of people will vote for the bond issue because the money is going for parks for the kids; you have to get to those people. Naegeli stated that the VAA didn't support the bond issue, he also feels that Alimagnet was a �ontributing factor. (Dave Miller arrived at 8:25 p.m. ) Joanne stated that one of the policies of the VAA has been to not publicly endorse anything -- she explained why they stay out of that type of thing. � Wangen stated that there are a couple of things that have been discussed in relation to the VAA. It is important that the VAA learn some things that obviously they should be supporting. The bond issue would have provided them with addi�ional facilities. The VAA is going to have to realize that they are going to have to fight for themselves. ' ' Page #4 Park Committee Minutes, • 10/3/78 � He also stated that it is important to the VAA to support the bond issue to provide space for their own programs. He feels there is a lack of sincere interest about what they need for their own programs. They are going to have to take a stand. We are not going to go anywhere if they don't support the issue that will bring them the facilities; it is going to be on the laps of the VAA. He commented on the attitudes and stated that the Park Committee would like to have the support of the VAA on the bond issue not just for the good of the VAA, but also for the good of the City. There was some discussion regarding the "political issue" -- they don't hear what people are saying about the use of the neighborhood parks for organized sports, the complaints because children can't use the parks, etc. Naegeli commented on limiting the membership to Apple Valley -- at the present time it includes the entire school district. Joanne stated that the Charter reads the entire school district and at the present time they cannot refuse anyone. Bob noted that the people in Apple Valley are paying for the people that don't live here. The VAA Board doesn`t seem to comprehend the problem that the City has. Bob stated that the Hockey Association gave the Park Committee their support; he also stated that the last bond issue was very athletic oriented. He stated that with the upcoming bond issue they are proposing to put the athletics in a Part B -- Part A will have to pass before Part 6 will pass. There was some discussion on costs and what will be included in Part A and What will go in Part B. Wangen stated that in assessing the needs of the total City something should be in each part that is goad for everyone in the City in three levels. He also noted that it is important to have some funds from the bond issue so there are matching � funds available to apply for grants, etc. Joanne stated that the VAA is aware that they will have to limit membership if they do not get additional parks. The membership could be limited by eliminating the other cities. Naegeli stated that they can't continue increasing the size of the programs, etc. and if the bond issue passes this spring we will not see any kind of a relief until 1980. Ellen suggested that they narrow down the age limits. Roger stated that when he met with the VAA he asked about their problems and not one of the problems that they noted was space until it was drawn to their attention. They need to rec- ognize their number one problem and that is space. He feels they expect the City to have the parks for their use. Naegeli stated that the Park Committee looks at what is best for the overall city; at the present time they are trying to get larger parks and are taking cash in lieu of land where parks are existing. Wangen noted that the Park Committee doesn't like to give up land; however, at the present time the City cannot develop half of the parks that are already dedicated�. Joanne stated that the VAA felt that the Park Committee would like to have them do their work; they feel that they are teaching the kids to play ba11 and the Park Committee should supply the parks. The Bond Issue passage is a means to some other � things. Dave Miller welcomed Joanne to the Park Committee and asked how many members the VAA has -- Joanne stated that last year they had 1 ,700 families. This is a part of Apple Valley -- Bob pointed out the number of families that use the parks that are not involved in VAA. Dave asked Joanne to point out to the VAA Board that there are more to parks than ballfields. There was some discussion regarding the service provided by the VAA -- Bob stated that the City could provide similar programs; � it wouldn't be as broad if the City ran it -- there was further discussion regarding the VAA problems. Joanne noted that the VAA and the Park Corr�nittee should work together. Dave Miller stated that he realizes �ow important the organization is to the City. Roger stated that he and Bob are not for or against VAA; he thinks they are interested in serving the City in their total needs for Parks. He feels that there are alot of people that can do alot of good on the VAA. i � " Page #5 ', Park Committee Minutesi � ' 10/3/78 ! Roger added that the VAA must realize that they have to help themselves.The Park Committee is trying to do what is right for the City in the best way they can. The VAA is going to be put in a position whereby they have to help themselves. Bob stated that he is not opposed to the VAA; they need to understand that the Park Committee cannot provide the facilities without their help -- they expect the Park Committee to provide the facilities so they can take advantage of them. They need to take a look at the overall situation -- they should be at the Park Committee meetings. E1len Milos stated that the City has nurtured the service the VAA is providing in the past and now they are not. The results of the Park Survey were distributed and Vice Chairman Sterling asked the members to look at it before the next meeting. Joanne asked if it was meant for her to be on the Park Committee because she is a member of the VAA Board. She asked the Corr�nittee if it would be harmful to the Park Committee if she would not run to be on the board next year. It was pointed out that it was not necessary for her to be on the VAA BOard to serve on the Park Committee. Joanne stated that she feels she could still work back and forth with the VAA and Park Committee if she wasn't on the board. Dave Mi11er eommented that he felt she could be very useful for the VAA and the Park Committee. Dave Miller commented that there is a drug problem at Alimagnet Park and with all of the money going into the Park that area needs to be p�traled. The entry should be barricaded. � It was noted that Mike Bassett will be out of town on the 17th of' October and the Park Committee would like to meet with him prior to the Public Meeting planned for the 14th of November. The Committee agreed to change their regular meeting to the 24th of October at 7:00 p.m. and they would like to have h1r. Bassett bring maps and information on dollar figures to that meeting. The Park Committee would also like notations on the changes they have recommended to the Five Year Systems � Plan. Could this go on a single sheet. Sterling reported that she received a Metropolitan Park Directory from the Metro Council showing all the regionnal parks in the I�etro Area. The Committee members would like to have copies. Meeting adjourned. �