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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12/05/1978 w �`r, < � � � CITY OF APPLE VALLEY PARK COMMITTEE MINUTES DECEMBER 5, 1978 PRESENT: Ginny Sterling, Joanne Hollenbeck, Ellen Milos, Roger Wangen (arrived at 8:00) , Dave Miller (arrived at 8:20) , Mike Bassett. ABSENT: Bob Naegeli, Joe Bell. 1. Ca11 To Order. Vice Chairman Sterling called the meeting to order. 2. Item ��2 was tabled until a quorum is present. 3. Discuss Bond Issue Presentation Format. It was noted that Joe Bell wanted to discuss this item again and asked that it be on the agenda. In a motion that was passed at a prior meeting the Park Committee agreed that the Bond Issue should be three questions with Parts A, B, and C. Part A would have to pass before Part B and Part B must Pass before Part C. The question is should the issue be presented in that manner or should each part stand on its own merit and if only Part B passes -- that is what will be developed. Ginny stated that the Park Committee felt that Part A should present the bare minimum in Park Development, Part B should give additional development and Part C would be the frills. Joanne Hollenbeck stated that she is concerned that people would not understand the A passes before B passes, etc. Ginny stated that she would hate to have the City purchase more land before the land that we already have is developed. Ellen Milos stated that she thinks that people want to have a choice. � Joanne Hollenbeck stated that she has heard the comment, maybe it is VAA oriented, but she thinks it should be straightened out before the bond issue proposal goes to the public -- people are concerned about voting yes for another bond issue until we are allowed to use the parks we have now --- why vote for more. Ginny Sterling stated that the neighborhood parks are for the neighborhood to use. Joanne stated that most of the parks are large enough and have enough room to accommodate the children in the neighborhood and still have a practice. Ginny refered to Duchess and not many people use that park, however, Pennock Park is small and if there is a practice there the neighborhood children would have to leave the park. Joanne stated that Greening is a large park and could be used. Mike Bassett stated that he would like to try a middle of the road situation with the parks. We could take a selected number of parks and put up a billboard and do a good job with putting information up as to who is going to be using the parks and when and work more closely with the VAA. He refered to Brooklyn Park where they used the neighborhood parks for organized athletics all the time. A schedule would have to be set up and we would have to monitor the situation. We may be conjuring up problems that don't exist. Ginny stated that in some of the larger undeveloped parks there would be more room for organized athletics. Joanne H. stated that at the Nov. 14 meeting about 3/4 of the people there were people that are not new residents of Apple Valley; the new people aren't going to defeat anything in her opinion. Ginny stated that she thinks the people on the east side want development in their area. Mike stated that he feels that parks are setting idle and he feels they should be looked at selectively. The eastern area of the City will have to be worked to get people interested to vote for the bond issue. The BMX Track (Bicycle Motorcross) was discussed. There is a small bicycle that does not have a motor that is used for the Bicycle Tracks; that is what Mr. Milbauer was refering � to the other evening. There is also a small bike that is motorized and that could be a problem as they are noisy. Ginny suggested taking one of the parks that are �lose to another park; possibly 131st or 139th and using it for a Track. Joanne stated that she feels the Park Committee should include in the bond issue what the people are asking for; it can improve the public relations -- people will say we asked for that and the Park Committee is providing it. . . She feels it would be good for the bond issue. f�.J Page 4�2 � , Park Committee Minutes . . 12/5/78 Mike Bassett reviewed some figures received from Joanne Ellison at School District ��196. � (See attached map and data.) The Ad Hoc Committee was discussed. Ginny stated that she has spoken to some people that are interested. Joanne stated that Vern Yetzer or Chuck Niggley might be interested. Mike Bassett stated that the biggest problem with the 1971 bond issue in two parts was that the pictures in the brochure showed certain things and people didn't understand that some of those items were included in the second part. (Roger Wangen arrived at 8:00 p.m.) Ginny stated that she felt that it is important for the committee to decide on what type of format they want for the bond issue; a decision needs to be made on the Part A, B, etc. Ginny refered to the September 19, 1978 minutes and reviewed the previous motion. There was some discussion on four parts and voting for just two. It was noted that Joe Bell had indicated that he would like to have each question stand on its own similar to the School Bond Issue last spring. Joanne stated that she would rather see something pass than nothing at all. Ginny statad that the Park Committee knows what Apple Valley needs; we should be developing the undeveloped parks. Mike Bassett stated that the Committee needs to come up with a well diversified park system as far as the different segments. He doesn't feel that the questions should be tied together. With two parts -- development of existing par�.s in one part and development and acquisition of an athletic complex in a second question. This would simplify the situation for the voter. Maybe a logical part three would be trail development. This would give people the option. Joanne recommended that each question stand on its own. � Mike Bassett distributed information on "Cost Analysis for the 1979 Park Bond Referendum." (See attached information.) He noted that the information is preliminary. There was some discussion on the Carrollwood Park -- Mike noted that there is $35,000 for develop- ment in that area and he wants to be sure that is sufficient for the development that is planned for that area. He also explained the situation with the Cedar Park Elementary School Parkland. The City feels that when the area east of Longridge develops that they propose to take cash in lieu of land for development of that Park. Also, there may be funds available from grants if the Park Bond passes and we have matching funds. (Dave Mi11er arrived at 8:20 p.m.) Ellen Milos noted that people have contacted her and they do nat want any more surfaced pathways in Faifih Park. Mike Bassett stated that it would be bad park design; you need a way for people to use the park. The dollar amount available for bonding was discussed. Mike Bassett stated that he spoke to the financial consultant at Juran'- & Moody about the bonding limit and they told him that'Apple Valley is in good shape and there was no need to worry until they go close to the two million dollar figure. Joanne Hollenbeck asked how you go about putting names on the Parks. She would like to have names on the unnamed parks on the east side by the time the Park Bond Issue is presented to the public. Mike Bassett noted that the Diamond Path area belonged to the Corrigan family at one time. It was discussed that the Historical Committee is working on the names for the parks. � Mike stated that he would like to include the paving of the parking lot at Westview. He also asked the committee to analyze the figures presented. Ellen Milos asked for a list of the items that were eliminated from the figures that were included in the Five Year Plan. Mike stated that he has an architect working on the figures and will have more definite amounts for the next meeting. Page 4�3 .. Park Committee Minutes � � 12/5/78 � The Athletic Complex was discussed. Mike Bassett stated that he will be meeting with the School District people next week regarding the plan for the area around the future Middle School. He reviewed the Lawcon Grant application and stated that it wasn't funded. He reviewed the plan that was developed for the grant application. Mike stated that they would need an additional twenty acres for development of the complex. He stated that he would like to propose going to the Council and get an option on 10 or 20 acres to hold on a price. There was considerable discussion on the land acquisition, An additional 20 acres would provide for 60 acres for the middle school, future elementary and the proposed athletic complex. The presentation for the public was discussed. Mike Bassettt was prepared to review last years presentation; he noted that it is available for people that are interested. Joanne Hollenbeck recommended that the presentation be very simple; Ellen Milos stated that there needs to be more pizazz: : Joanne H. stated that the Park Committee is here to tell the people what is here; present what they are proposing and let the people decide what they want. Roger Wangen stated that he doesn't feel the Park Committee should have to tell people that they need it, it is up to the people to come up with an idea to pass the bond issue. He s�ggested getting some of the people that were at the meeting on Dec. 14 and have an informal meeting and say here is the situation; if you want it you have to go out and get the votes. The Park Committee doesn't get things; the people need to go out and get them for themselves. Mike Bassett stated that he feels the Park Committee needs to provide somthing for the people to react to. Roger Wangen stated that he feel the Park Committee needs to get the people to know their needs and get out and work with their neighbors, etc. Ellen Milos stated that she feels the Park Committee needs to get out and work -- she questioned why you make such a big effort to go out and get people to vote for political candidates; isn't it important to make a simi-lar effort for a bond , issue. She added that the Park Committee is an advisory board that is trying to help decide what the parks need; why shouldn't we try to let people know that we feel strongly about it. Ginny Sterling stated that she can see the Park Committee pushing the "get out to vote" issue; hopefully then people will try to find out what they will vote for. Vice Chairman Sterling proposed that the questions be as follows: Part I - Park Development -- $950,000.00 Part II - Athletic Complex -- $450,000.00 Part III - Trails & Paving Parking Lot at � Westview -- $100,000.00 There was considerable discussion on how people would vote. Ginny asked for a motion to reconsider the motion of September 19, 1978. MOTION: of Milos, seconded by Hollenbeck to reconsider the motion of the September 19, 1978 meeting with the way the bond proposal is presented to the voters; Part A contingent on Part B, etc. YES - 3 - NO - 0 - ABSTAINED - 2 (Sterling & Wangen) . There was considerable discussion regarding the three parts and each standing on their • own merit. MOTION: of Milos, seconded by Hollenbeck that the bond issue questions be presented to the voters in three parts (using the approximate figures as shown above) , Each part would stand on its own merit and would not be contingent on each other; the simple majority will rule on each question. Page ��4 , Park Committee Minutes . • ' 12/5/78 � Dave Miller stated that if people want it they will vote for it. He stated that he is trying to put himself in the voters shoes -- some people will vote for one or maybe two parts -- but they will vote NO on one part. Roger Wangen stated that he doesn't feel the system is important; the important thing is how you develop the peogles interest. The techni4ue in how we approach the groups to work for themselves and for the good of the overall City is important. The Ad Hoc Committee can come in and tie all three parts together. Joanne suggested talking to people and asking them for their help. Dave Mi1Ler stated that he can see the VAA and athletic community seeing hop and promise in the athletic complex and voting YES for that and NO for park development. .Toanne Hollenbeck stated that the athletic oriented people need the neighborhood parks also. Ginny Sterling is concerned that p:eople are going to take the cheapest and the middle and Vote NO on the most expensive. She feels people will vote for Parts II and III in the South Apple Valley area. People in the areas of the undeveloped parks will have to vote YES if they want their parks developed. There was considerable discussion involving the pros and cons and how the questions are presented. VOTE ON MOTION: YES - 2 - NO - 0 - ABSTAINED (Wangen, Miller & Sterling) , NOTE: Motion failed -- The abstentians go with the prevailing majority and you don't have a prevailing majority. Ginny Sterling asked the Committee members to study for discussion the next meeting the figures that Mr. Bassett distributed. Should the parts be more balanced. The next agenda should include discussion of the bond issue content. • APPROVAL OF MINUTES Minutes af the October 24, 1978 meeting were approved as written. Minutes of the November 14, 1978 meeting were approved as written. G. Sterling asked that on the November 21, 1978 minutes that when refering to the other comments at the bottom of page 2 -- it should state that people don't like the blacktop under the sand in the parks in general -- not specifically Greenleaf. Minutes of the November 21, 1978 meeting were approved as corrected. Vice Chairman Sterling asked committee members to ask people about serving on an Ad Hoc Park Committee; get the names of people that would be interested in going door to door and working for the park bond issue. This will be discussed further at the next meeting. OTHER ITEMS: Ellen questioned the starting time and suggested that if the meetings are going to start at 7:00 p.m. people should be here -- if that is a problem she suggested changing the time to 8:00 p.m. . This will be discussed at the next meeting and she asked to have it included on the agenda. She also recommended that time limits for the meetings be discussed. MOTION: of Wangen, seconded by Miller that the meeting be adjourned, �