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Home My WebLink About07/13/2005 Urban Affairs Advisory Minutes 7-13-2005 Page 1 of 3 URBAN AFFAIRS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES WEDNESDAY, JULY 13, 2005 1 CALL TO ORDER The meeting of the Urban Affairs Committee was called to order at 6 30 p.m. Members Present: Barry Berg, Sandy Breuer, Robin Curran, Shelley Madore*, and Sharon Schwartz. * Shelley Madore arnved at 6 40 p.m. Members Absent: Shirley Doering and Pam Solilberg. Staff Present: Kathy Bodmer, Associate City Planner; Margaret Dykes, Associate Crty Planner; Tim Miller, Code Enforcement Officer and Val Thoemke, Code Enforcement Secretary Guests present: Russ Prance, 7200-144th Court and Roger Brandel, 7234-144th Court. 2 APPOINT ACTING CHAIR MOTION Barry Berg moved, seconded by Sandy Breuer, to appoint Sharon Schwartz as Acting Chair Motion carned 4-0 3 APPROVAL OF AGENDA MOTION Barry moved, seconded by Sandy, to approve the agenda. The motion carned 4-0 3 APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF MARCH 23, 2004 Sharon noted that the motion on agenda item 3 needed to be corrected to state, "Sharon Schwartz moved, seconded by Shelley Madore, to approve the agenda." MOTION Sandy moved, seconded by Robin Curran, to approve the minutes as amended. The motion carned 4-0 4 DISCUSSION ITEMS RESIDENTIAL PARKING ISSUES Barry noted that the State of Minnesota requires one-ton pick up truck to obtain a commercial vehicle license. He stated that even though the vehicle is used for personal, not commercial use, the State requires a commercial license Maggie Dykes made a presentation to the group regarding the two issues the Committee will be reviewing: (1) the number of vehicles that may be parked outside on a residential driveway and (2) the parking of commercial vehicles and trailers. Maggie discussed the current code requirements and displayed pictures of examples of current violations of the parking requirements. She presented three approaches that staff thinks the Committee could take to address the issues (1) minor edits of the existing code requirements, (2) more m-depth review of the requirements, or (3) comprehensive review http.//www ci.apple-valley.mn.us/Minutes/urban affairs/2005/07-13-OS.htm 4/28/2009 Urban Affairs Advisory Minutes 7-13-2005 Page 2 of 3 of all aspects of residential parking, including the parking of recreational vehicles. Barry asked what the Council's direction was when it assigned these issues to the Urban Affairs Committee. Shelley Madore said that she was at the City Council meeting when the number of vehicles parked in a driveway was discussed. This was brought up when a property owner on 144th Court requested an on-site parking permit to allow the parking of up to 6 vehicles outside on the property Her view was that the City Council was concerned about protecting existing neighborhoods. Shelley noted that more homes are becoming rental properties in Apple Valley She state that the City will need to keep in mind that any changes to outdoor parking will impact what renters will be able to do with rental properties. Shelley stated that the Committee will need to keep in mind the impacts the surrounding owner-occupied homes. Robin Curran commented that she saw three issues (1) how large families and large homes with several garages are impacted by the number of cars that may be parked outside, (2) how rental properties and surrounding properties are impacted by the number of cars that may be parked outside, and (3) the parking of trailers. Shelley asked for a clarification of the notification procedure for on-site parking permits. Kathy Bodmer explained that the Code only requires that the applicant submit a notarized affidavit certifying that the adjacent neighbors were contacted and told that they could contact the City regarding the parking permit request. Kathy stated that because the property on 144th Court was rental property, City Staff mailed out notice to the neighbors m the cul-de-sac bubble who appeared to be directly impacted by the sight of the parked vehicles. Russ Prince, 7200-144th Court, stated that he lives three doors down from the property on 144th Court and he was not notified when his neighbor applied for the parking permit. He said he wasn't given a chance to comment on the request. Sharon stated that in her view, the Code needs to be revised to better define vehicles, trailers, etc. Barry suggested that the Committee could recommend a policy that the City Council could adopt. Sandy stated that she felt the role of the Committee was to review City Ordinances and make recommendations, not recommend policies to the City Council. Maggie asked what the Committee thought about receiving citizen input on these issues. She suggested that an article could be placed on the website inviting residents to provide comments to the Committee. Sandy suggested that a questionnaire be developed to keep the resident comments focused on the issues at hand. Sharon also suggested that articles be placed in the Sun Current and ThisWeek newspapers discussing what the group is doing and inviting them to either go on the website or contact the City for the questionnaire. Sandy also recommended placing an article in the City's Fall Newsletter Sandy asked Tim Miller whether the City has a mechanism m place for following up when a complaint is made to the City Tim explained that no follow-up is typically done unless specifically requested. Sandy asked how much time was typically taken up having to talk to residents who have made complaints and they want some type of follow-up? Tim answered that the City does not receive many complaints of this type, so it's not time-intensive. Roger Brandel, 7234-144th Court, said that he lived next door to the property where the parking permit was requested. He said the issue of the number of cars parked outside seemed like a simple matter to him. He felt that the City Council discussed several different issues that were not relevant to the parking permit request. Barry explained that the City Council, like the Urban Affairs Committee, has to take into http.//www ci.apple-valley.mn.us/Minutes/urban affairs/2005/07-13-OS.htm 4/28/2009 Urban Affairs Advisory Minutes 7-13-2005 Page 3 of 3 consideration other factors, when they review permits like the one they considered. Barry stated that many issues would have to be examined in this process. Russ Prance said that he and Roger had contacted their insurance agents to find out how many families have 5 or 6 vehicles insured? Russ said his agent told him very, very few Russ asked why the City would consider amending the ordinance to deal with a very small percentage of families that have that many vehicles. Barry pointed out, though, that not long ago he had three kids of driving age hvmg at his home. At that time he had two collector cars along with the everyday cars he and his wife drove. He said he had special insurance for the collector cars. Sharon pointed out that not everyone in a family or household will have the same insurance carrier Shelley asked staff to contact the fire and police departments and ALF ambulance to find out how they feel about the number of cars parked in a driveway Robin asked staff to contact the police department to find out whether accidents have been reported from neighbors backing out and having their sight lines blocked by parked cars. Kathy suggested that one way to review the trailer issue would be to visit a trailer dealership to see the size of typical trailers. At the same time, Barry suggested that Tim could take the group on a tour through Apple Valley and show everyone some of the related code enforcement issues that exist. The group tentatively set the next meeting date for Wednesday, July 27, 2005 to do a tour of the City At the August 24th meeting, the group proposed working on definitions and a timeline. On September 28th, the group. could analyze responses from the questionnaire. The next proposed dates would be October 26th, to hold a possible hearing on ordinance amendments, and November 30th for awrap-up meeting and to approve a recommended action to the City Council. MOTION Barry moved, seconded by Robin, to set the next meeting for Wednesday, July 27, 2005, to do a tour of the City Motion tamed 5-0 5 OTHER BUSINESS None. 6 ADJOURNMENT MOTION Sandy moved, seconded by Robin to adjourn the meeting. The meeting adjourned at 8.25 p.m. http.//www ci.apple-valley.mn.us/Minutes/urban affairs/2005/07-13-OS.htm 4/28/2009