HomeMy WebLinkAbout05/04/20091. CALL TO ORDER
URBAN AFFAIRS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES
MONDAY, MAY 4, 2009
The meeting of the Urban Affairs Committee was brought to order at 6:30 p.m. by the Chair
Shirley Doering.
Members Present: Barry Berg*, Sandy Breuer, Shirley Doering, Ed Holmes, Sharon Schwartz,
Pam Sohlberg and Earl Wilson.
* Barry Berg arrived at 6:45 p.m.
Members Absent: None
Staff Present: Kathy Bodmer, Associate City Planner; Margaret Dykes, Associate City Planner;
and Susan Bast, Dakota Valley Recycling.
Guests present: Kerfoot Metz, Pennock 4th Addition Townhomes; Rick Morcomb and David
Domack, Dick's Sanitation/LSI; Jim Rauschnot , Allied Waste; Eric Dahlager, Waste
Management; and Victoria Nelson, resident.
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION: Earl Wilson moved, seconded by Pam Sohlberg, to approve the agenda. The motion
carried 6-0.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2008
MOTION: Earl Wilson moved, seconded by Pam Sohlberg, to approve the minutes. The motion
carried 6-0.
4. ACTION ITEMS
A. D
FT RECYCLING/GARBAGE COLLECTION ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS
Shirley Doering opened the meeting by explaining the procedure for taking public comments.
She said that staff would make a presentation and then the Committee would take public
comments.
Staff made a presentation to the Committee which discussed the history of the proposed
ordinance amendments along with the results of the on-line resident survey. Staff stated that the
survey showed strong support for amending the ordinance as previously recommended by the
Committee.
Barry asked what happens when a collection day falls on a holiday. He said the ordinance
clearly lays out that garbage is to be collected Monday through Friday only. Ed Holmes
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commented that the ordinance provides for flexibility in the schedule during weeks when there is
a holiday.
Sharon Schwartz said she never received notice of the survey. She was concerned that residents
may not have known about the survey.
Next, Shirley said that the Committee would take comments from the audience.
Kerfoot Metz said that he lives in a townhome and that the City needed to remember that there
are many townhomes in Apple Valley. He said that he is concerned about the size of the
container. He stated that he was also concerned about seniors having to set their garbage at the
curb. He said he is also opposed to biweekly recycling collection.
Pam said that she was concerned about the 3rd, 4th and 5th bins.
Jim Rauschnot, Allied Waste, said there are six holidays per year when the regular hauling
schedule is shifted. He said Allied informs its customers that garbage and recycling will be
collected on the following day.
Jim said that the issues of bin sizes for townhomes and walk-up garbage collection can be
worked out with the hauler. Haulers will work with their customers.
Sandy Breuer asked whether haulers would make special arrangements for door-side collection
or other accommodations if necessary. The haulers in the audience said yes, that they would.
Shirley asked what was done on heavy snow days. Jim from Allied Waste said when snow is
really heavy they might pull trucks off of the road and go back and collect once the snow slows
and the streets are clear. But taking trucks off the road occurs only a couple of times of year, if it
occurs at all.
Pam Sohlberg asked whether the resident will see any benefit from the change to biweekly
recycling collection.
Jim said that the haulers have had to pass on increased costs the last couple of years because of
rising fuel prices. He said that if there are cost savings, those savings may be passed on to
customers.
David Domack, Dick's Sanitation, said that he appreciates the City reviewing the ordinances.
He said the garbage hauling industry has changed significantly over the last several years.
Haulers are concerned about safety, not leaving trucks unattended, idling time, and efficiency.
He noted that one benefit that Dick's has seen is that more cardboard is able to be collected with
the single sort recycling method. He concluded by saying that curbside automated collection of
garbage and recycling is efficient, saves money, and keeps the community cleaner.
Victoria Nelson, a resident, said that she has been attending the Committee meetings and is
pleased with the amendments that have been presented. She said she likes the single sort
recycling containers and curbside collection. She said that the changes are good for the City.
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Shirley asked the haulers how long it typically takes for residents to transition into the new
program, especially the biweekly recycling collection. Jim said it takes 6 month to a year.
Shirley asked whether every resident would be given a garbage cart. Jim said yes, all garbage
and recycling collection would be automated, so the haulers distribute garbage and recycling
carts that work with the collection arm.
Ed asked how the haulers deal with overflow. He said that sometimes if there is more garbage
than can fit into the container, the resident will place his/her own container beside the cart. Jim
said the haulers would jump out and either empty the can directly into the truck, or empty the can
into the automated cart and then dump it into the truck.
Barry asked how overstuff containers are handled. Jim said if necessary, the hauler will get out
of the truck and take the top bags out of the container and throw them into the truck. Other
times, the haulers can simply empty the can into the truck. If bags fall off, the hauler will clean
it up.
Barry asked whether the haulers would use a single pass truck for garbage, recycling and yard
waste. The haulers in the audience said no, they would use separate trucks for each item.
Lastly, Barry asked what would happen if someone set out their recycling on an off week? Jim
said, in general, haulers will sometimes make a special trip if someone missed a collection week.
However, he said that they would not generally make the separate trip. He said, to some extent,
the resident needs to become "trained" to get used to the every other week collection. He said it
takes about 3 to 6 months.
Sharon said she had a practical question. She asked whether a person could really throw a milk
jug, then a newspaper, then a pop can straight into the bin. What happens if the items are placed
in plastic or paper bags.
Jim said the use of plastic bags is not good because they can get tangled up in the sort facility
equipment. He said the use of paper bags is no problem at all. He said, again, this would all be
part of the customer education process.
Pam said she continued to be concerned about biweekly recycling collection. She said she is
concerned about putrescence and odor if recycling sits for two weeks. She asked, since the
haulers are saving money collecting every other week, would there be a reduction in rates. Jim
said if there are savings, some of those savings might be passed on to customers.
The committee noted that one benefit of the City changing to curbside collection is that it may
lead to more haulers to want to haul in Apple Valley, thereby creating more competition, and
more cost savings.
Barry said that that there is a difference between weekly and biweekly collection. He said that
there are different impacts on the environment. He said it takes a truck of the road every other
week and encourages more recycling.
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Sharon asked whether there were any other cities in the metro area that had single sort weekly
recycling collection. Jim said that to his knowledge, only Oakdale has weekly single sort
collection.
Sharon said she wanted to discuss biweekly collection in more detail. Earl noted that the survey
indicated that 80% of the respondents supported biweekly collection. Ed said that because the
containers are covered, odor would be less of an issue. He said he likes the idea of biweekly
single sort recycling collection.
Sharon said she continues to be concerned because she fills up her 18-gallon tub every week
now. She said not having room in the garage for another container is due to the fact that she has
a smaller two-car garage. It isn't a matter of having a bunch of stuff. She said she just doesn't
have room. She doesn't like biweekly collection.
Earl commented that 80% of the survey respondents supported biweekly collection. He said he
understood the concern for people with smaller garages. But there was overwhelming support
for biweekly collection.
Sharon said the problem with not having room available inside of a garage would lead to storing
containers outside. She said if that is the case, she is concerned about compliance with the City's
screening requirements.
Shirley noted that no ordinance is perfect, that some will continue to have concerns. However,
based on information that has been provided by the haulers, the public, and staff, she said she felt
that the Committee is headed in the right direction.
Barry said he was concerned about voting for the ordinance amendment as one unit and instead
preferred to vote on each of the amendments separately. A discussion ensued about how to vote
on the proposed ordinance.
Sandy said that she takes the results of the survey seriously and that there is overwhelming
support for the amendments. She said she felt that the best way to take action on the item before
the Committee would be to represent the members of the community. She said she needed to
vote in view of how 80% of the community responded.
Sharon asked whether Sue Bast could foresee any additional materials being added to the
recycling stream. Specifically she asked whether yogurt and margarine containers would be
added. Sue said there is no market at this time for that plastic, so it can't be recycled yet. Sue
said at one time St. Paul took old clothing, but she wasn't sure if that was currently being
collected. Sue also noted that 6 or 7 communities are collecting household organic waste in
conjunction with yard waste. Other than that, Sue said she wasn't aware of any materials being
added to the waste stream.
MOTION: Earl Wilson moved, seconded by Sandy Breuer, to receive the results of the on-line
resident survey and to reiterate the Urban Affairs Committee's recommendation of approval of
the draft ordinance amending Chapter 50 of the City Code and that it be forwarded to the City
Council for adoption.
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Pam said she still had a concern about bi-weekly collection of recyclables. She indicated that the
every other week collection affects the size of the container, making it necessary to use larger
recycling containers. She stated that the larger containers are difficult for some residents to
store. Secondly, she was concerned about putrescence and that every other week collection of
recyclables would result in odor and decay.
Barry said he continues to be concerned about the switch to curbside recycling. He said that
curbside recycling will be difficult for seniors and those with disabilities.
The motion carried 6 to 1 (Schwartz).
Sharon stated that her no vote was based on the provision for biweekly collection of recyclables.
She said she would like recycling to be collected weekly. She said that if the City is trying to
promote recycling, then weekly collection is warranted. She said that the volume of recyclables
may grow so that weekly collection will be warranted.
5. OTHER BUSINESS
Shirley welcomed Ed Holmes, a new member, to the Committee.
6. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Earl Wilson moved, seconded by Sandy Breuer to adjourn. The meeting adjourned
at 7:44 p.m.
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