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CITY OF APPLE VALLEY
URBAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE MINUTES
September 6, 1979
PRESENT: Dorothy Regis, Hank Meyers, Dick Edwards, Gloria Detters, John McKay.
ABSENT: Bill Smith.
Chairman Regis called the meeting to order.
The minutes of the August 16, 1979 meeting were approved as written.
The Co�ittee spent the remainder of the meeting discussing the Proposed Park Ordinance
which was referred to them for review by the City Council.
Mike Bassett, Park & Recreation Director gave introductory comments. Chairperson
Regis asked Mike Bassett to hi-lite the sections of the greatest concern in the
ordinance.
Mike Bassett referred to page 7, Section 15 (2) . The 10:00 p.m. closing hours is
a concern -- the problem is the man jogging or walking the dog through the park
after 10:00 p.m. He pointed out that Burnsville does have a 10:00 p.m. curfew in
their parks and if Apple Valley's were to be different it could be a problem at
Alimagnet Park. Another major area where there have been problems is the golf course.
Mike noted that he doesn't see the police stopping someone walking through the park
or jogging through the park.
He stated that there was also a concern about the control of animals in the parks;
there was concern about animals being under voice command.
Mike Bassett also noted that there was concern about there being to much in the
ordinance that is not needed. He did note that some of the contents of the ordinance
may not be needed today, however, it may be needed in the future as Apple Valley
grows.
Regis questioned ��1, �65 and 4�6 being covered in the disorderly conduct language.
Dick Edwards stated that those items would be covered in the Nuisance Ordinance and
asked if they were consistent. Mike Bassett stated that some things included in
this draft ordinance are redundent, however, he noted that he would like to post
the ordinance in the parks and felt they need to be included.
Dick Edwards questioned ��3 (3) . Mike Bassett stated that it would restrict kegs,
barrels, etc. This would not preclude the family picnic; large quantities would
be allowed with a permit.
Dorothy Regis felt that '4�'3 (9) should be clarified. Mike Bassett asked how you
distinguish between a full fledged camping operation.
Dorothy Regis stated that she is concerned about the police making the discretion;
she feels that restrictions need to be spelled out for the police. Dick Edwards
noted that gambling is illegal in the State other than bingo, etc. -- does it need
to be included in the ordinance.
.Tohn McKay quesitoned Sect. 3 (4� , "controlled substance". He referred to the
definition and questioned a prescription from the doctor. The members of the
Committee didn't see a problem. Mr. McKay also questioned Sect. 3 (8) and asked
if it meant that children couldn't play with small boats in the water. Mike
Bassett stated that the intent is things that would be polluting to the water.
He st�.ted that it could state "noxious substance."
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Mike Bassett noted that in (10) of the same section they are referring to "hot air
balloons."
Mike Bassett stated that the Park Committee changed the wording in (11) regarding
animals. He stated that an individual at the Council meeting stated that he felt
it should be "voice control" -- it was noted that if this is changed it would be
contrary to the present ordinace that stated "on a leash".
Dorothy Regis questioned Section 4 (8) and (2).
It was noted that a definition is needed for "watercraft."
Gloria Detters questioned ��6 (1) .
Bill Holton questioned ��3 (1). Mike'..�Bassett stated that you could allow people to take
out dead wood; however, it does need to be supervised. Section 16 (5) is a clause
to protect the parks.
Dick Edwards questioned ��6 (3) . Bassett stated that the intent is to keep swimming
in the swimming areas and picnicing in the picnic areas.
Hank Meyers questioned Section 9 - Horseback Riding -- the committee discussed
horseback riding.
Dorothy Regis questioned Section 15 (5) and whether it is enforceable. Mike Bassett
stated that the Courts decide, however, it can be included.
Dick Edwards questioned Section 15 (1) - what are the guidelines for issuing the
permit. Bassett explained the present policies for the community buildings. The
policies may have to be drafted. Edwards questioned the possibility of a rock
concert at Alimagnet Park. Bassett stated that a permit does not have to be
granted if it is in the best interests of the City. Dorothy Regis questioned the
designated representative; Mike stated that his secretary issues the permits for
Westview, however, if there is a problem she asks him for a decision.
DorothyyRegis questioned Section 16 (8) and asked if that included police officers
from other municipalities. Hank Meyers suggested including City, County and
State in Section 16 (8) .
Gloria Detters questioned Section 15 (2) . She is concerned about selective enforcement.
Mike Bassetts stated that it needs to be selective because of what the party is doing.
She questioned if we do have other ordinances that would cover the 10:00 p.m. There
was some discussion on the curfew. Dorothy Regis stated that she feels it is
very typical to have closing hours in the parks. Tf it is a party and they are
disturbing the peace there are other ordinances that they can be charged with.
She is concerned about selective enforcement for the joggers and dog walkers.
Holton stated that he is concerned about over-zealous enforcement of all the ordinances.
Gloria Detters stated that she would prefer to see Section 3 (9) removed from the
ordinance. Mr. Gretz stated that from City experience it should be included because
people come and ask for a copy of the park ordinance and it should be stated in the
ordinance. Mike Bassett stated that they are willing to experiment; Alimagnet Park
is posted as 10:00 p.m. closing, there is the problem with the jogger or cross country
skier. Mike Bassett stated that the ordinance could give the Park Director the
authority to post the curfew.
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There was some discussion on watercraft and a limit on the horsepower on the lakes. ',
Dick Edwards stated that he feels that the speed limit on the small lakes needs to
be controlled. Mike Bassett stated that at the present time no motorized boat
launching areas are located in the City. Dorothy Regis noted that is you start
to regulate then the City is responsible to enforce the ordinance. Dick Edwards
stated that he doesn't feel that the horsepower is a problem; it is necessary to
keep the motorized craft away from the swimming area.
Bill Holton stated that he feels the ordinance tries to encompass to many things into
one ordinance and he would like to see the Committee come back to the Council with
those things that are really needed.
Meeting adjourned.