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08/05/1982 � i CTTY tJF �PPLE VA�'L�Y IIRB�+I' A.�F'A,IR�" COMP�Z'.�'T'FE MTNUTES Au�ust 5� 19$2 PRE�ENTz t�loria �leters„ Jnh� McK�y, :�'r�c� Metr�� �haror� �ehwartx, Fam��;a Sc�hl.ber� ($�� arr�.val�� C�ty Ac�.�ia��.�tratvr R3.chard A�lesc�n� C3.�y P"l�.s�ner Riek Kel�.e3�. �,B�.ENT'. ��iirle�r �oering., �he meetin� wa� cal�,ed to �arder at "j�4� p.m. b� Jca�a. McKa�, Mr. l�etry quest�.oned 3.f the �'u1� 1�, 1g82 n�3.xiute� reg�rdin� the re��.g�at�.dn a�� Nir. �ia� Myers wer� hi� exa�� wflrds. I�r. A�].e�cn �e�pc�ndec� ths�t A�r. M�r�r� sta�edl t� �h� C�,t�- 6�ota�a.csil i� his resa.gnat�.c�n �hat be�au�� c�f 3ack af a d��'3.n3.te wari€ ��hedule,� hs cc►��.d nat be ��ur�d a� bei.�g present ar� a re�ular ba�i�c, th�as h� da.d n4t fc�e1. he �aulei b�st �erve �he Gamm3.�tee in this w�y. �he C3.t� �a�anci�.�, howeeer! �e3t that 'be�ause +�f 1�. Nlysr�� ma.n� ye�rs o� ��rvic� c►�, the �om�nit�ee t he should be �. e�tra vc��3.n� r�emb�r �f th� .CQmmit�e� attendiz�g meetings as h3.e� p�ese�tt s�hedule p�rmi��; 3.f hi� schedul.e �.s resc��.ved� �he�r wtauld l�.k� far him ta beceme a per�ne�t memb�r �ga3�. AROTTOPds b� l�r. Metr�„ secand�a by Ms. peter� t� approve �he mi��u��s a� the J�].y 1' 19�3� meet3.ng, �IGTE: Y'e��, UN�;I�2�C3iTS. n�s��ss�Q� �F cQ�s�x�� cQn��,�rr�� Ct�x. ��:t�sprr)» Mr« A�leaor� w3.shed t4 pres�nt �c�neepts as to the dir�;ction tha� +�hauld be tak.e� aud the a�.ternat�v�� po��3ble w�.th the ideas tc� "be u�ed ta dra�'t some type Qf e��da,nan�se t� tae �vailable at the we�p�ena�er meeting re�,�ardin� curb�ai�.e re�u�e cc►3.�.eatadn. Wh�t are the ab�e��i�e� af the �3t�� Whg doe� th€� Ca�t�r 1.�.c�ns� refu�e cs�ll�eczt��s aMd estab�.isk� opera�ing par��ete�s? �tate Law peacm�.�ss th� C�t� �c� reguiate r�f�s� co�.l��tic�n us�der the guise r�f prc�m+�ti�.� the hea�.�h�, sa�'�t�� ��ad ws��.fare c��' the pu�bl�.�. The vasual/�ec��h�stic rease�ns for re�u2ating �arba�� fal1, a.ntc, �he c�te�ory c�� tha we1�'ar� promo�ta.Q��l pa��rs of the Ci�y. By l�w,, an +�rc�3.nance has tc� �set the hsa�.��;� saf�tg, aa�d wel�°are �eeds of the publie. �he current �e�t�se ard�.r�a�ce und�� each setst�.on, �atis£3,es oae ar mdre o�` the heal�h, s�z£ety, anc� a►e3.�are aspects. 3"he Gr�era C�.a ciebate: Cc��ttaiaa�rs in �'ront af the hous� cr� a� the curb relatss tc� th� vi,sua]. gr���rences af thnse wha expr�as �heir vie�ws tlarc�ugh the ��.�ate�d o�ficials of �he C3.t�r w-th� C�.t�r can reg��.ats thi� t�ratter thro��h the ��ue�a1 w�l#'�are (aesthetics� pc�rti�n 4f �he c�rd�.nance. Cit�.es a,� a raatter c�� pa�3cy sh��ld re�'r�in fram over�- r�gul.atin� gerso�s in the busine�s eQmmunitg wher� re�ula�3.crn ha� nt�t b���. n�zeded. �t i� ne�t whe�ther th� City shoul.d a114w green a�ns c�n �Y�e curb, bu� dc�es the City in 3.t� l��islative pc�wers� have re�.sc�n�bl� rea�c�r�s tc� prc�hibit �hez�. Referrin� �o the mi�.ut�s of" the July '�_ 't�$2 meetin� a� tc� t2�e po3.atc� the Urh�n .�ff�ir� Co�nit��e agrees on re�ardiz�� ��rba�ei Mr. ,��lestan agr�ed that�h�re �hau�.d b� ��r��»r�g. �here shc�uld be free chc+i.ce amon� res�dents-»�hi� wau2d b� d�.�'f3,cv►lt tc► 2�gi�3.at+�. '�"The ordiz�anc� shauld be ��fcrrced�.-This i+� �.�w�y� �ain� to be ata issue,� bu� when yc�u ��et �,nto 4rdinance enfc�re�ment and there is di�f�.cuZt�r en�arc3.ng �.t� ;the questic�n tc� be a�l€ed is! r'Sh€�uJ.d �he� rardinan�e be there i.m �he fir�� p3.ace�'sr • • t1'RB�1� AI'F�IRS C4MMIT"TEE MINt�TE� Attgtxst 5„ 1;�$2 P�ege 2 �he police��� could peri�ad�.cally go arouttd an�d har�� ti.ckets an �a�rbage cc�ntaiger�� bu� Mr. Aslesoa fe]�t t�a� the prrl�ce affice�c+� ha�e b�tter things t4 da th�n "han� g�rbage tickets.�' '�i�tua�.3y e�rer� ho�e owner could be c�.t�d f�r �c�me vi�+�:at3.o�. nf tbe preseztt Qrdinan�e�. Tocry a�r� the elected officia3.� w#.13.�n� t�► "take the heatre from enfarcem�nt �� �'mintir ordinances."' $�T�3.cens�.m�� o�" �allectnr� �t+� b� in��.�d�d 3z� the c�rdin�.r�ce) would r�quire that �h�y mail c�ap$,�s af the ��d��a�.e� tr��.ce � �ear w�.th the�.r bil.ls•-�-�4r. �,�lesan fe3t th3$ was a �ar��asti� �.d�a, but p�rso�a�.11y he �elt o�ce a �ear would be a vas� �.mprdv�m�nt« e•"�"h� h�.t��.ex �he�u3d be requ�.red �c clean the imme�.�.a�te v�.c3.r�it�r-_the haulers ceuld be in�tructed tc� leave ths� re��zs� �hat ia� mc�t pr�per].�r can��in�rr�.s�ed. �•M�..tter o�' equi�y_-the enn�sur��r pa�s �sd t��re should be f�ir exchax��e fc+r serv�ces ...�.--thi$ is a ver� l�git3�mate ccnceac�. Mr« Aa�Iesc�n cr�s�mented fur�her tha� �here i� uo dr��'t ca�d3x�ar�ce prepared. T'h� ent�.re currer�t orcl�.na�,ee r�l�.te� te residential garba.�e p�.�kup on3.y,. Perhaps a.deas could. be �,ncr�rparated t� �me�.d the p�esent axdinance ar a cos�plete �ew o�d�.�nce shnul.d be S�f�'7I.t'��l'1 s Para.me��rs to 1ae 3.ncluded in an rard3�a,z�ce� Tli�t�ic�3.ng concept--r�a �reen' c�.�, coliec�3c�a �ril1 be al�.+�wed e�e�pt b�r di�trictiz�g• ��d the C3.ty �cuncil �hali from �ime t4 time adop� re�olution� desig�,atin.g cert�in dist�ri�ts. 1n ��.dit3.c+n tca th� green cax�t�ix�er a� the �u�b� yard debris �ha1�1 be a1l.awed Apr3,1 thrpugh Oc�ober prt�vid�d �he debris is bur�dl.�d crr �.s� �.n p�.astic bag�. The ccall.ec�tar �� �. part af hi� ba�e rat� shal�. furr�ie�h o�e greera cc,�ta�.rr�:er ��ad m�3�t�in 3.t, but �he cus�oraer may be csfFered a ci�.�c�ux�t if he pur+�hase,s th�a �r��� cont�3..n�r. Upon req,uest €�f the cu�tomer! the ha�ler shall furn�.�h a secoz�c� �reen ccsnta3.ne� �c�t �ca ex��aed 2,�� of �he ba�� rat�. As a condition o�' his license to offer green can service, the colleetor � sha3.l agre� tc� prov3.c�e "tradi��.ona1" front dflc�r �e�v�ce upa� �equ��t. (�f the g�rtaage cnl2ector r�e�'u�es a hamemwner �.nd th� hom�awn�r appea�.s ta �3.�� Cc�u�tcil to �n�'arce this, the City �c+ur�ci:� ma� c�rd�r th� �.ic�n�ed ha�].er tv p�ck �.t up; certainly, there cat��d be a na13d reaso�, ta r�fuse to p3c1� �.�, for ��c. d�laque�t a�cr�unt.� Thraugh �eceffiber ?9, 19$�, the collectors ba.�e r�t� �'m� green ca� ���vice �ha1�. nc�t �xeeec� the base rate fc�r trad�.t�.or�a1 {�'rflnt of gars�g�� �,errri�e; th�reat'ter the ba,c�� rat� .f+�r �r�di.t�.oual ,��rviae ma� nat exceed 1'�t� o�' base rate o� gr�ea ca� service. (Thi�s point r�ised di+��u�sf.on w�.th M�. De��er� pair�ting aut th�.t du��.rtt� thi� p�r�.ad�, z*���s ft�7r' g�trsge p���ct�p �ou1.d et3��l�tte �,ri.d i�t 1985 �h+� �t��� s�f ��aditional could be r�3»�ed �o �ua. unrea�on��ble higl� far the �u�t+amer�.� �'h�,s wc+�d3.n� +�hn�.ld b� chan�ed ta read �ha� the ra�t�s �ar traditia�a3. �ervice shall not ea�ce�d 11C1� o� ba�e rate frar �r�en container �e�rvace« �`*�l� a candition a�' the greet� caa �.ices�se, tra��tia�.al se�*«� rr3.�� �aY�a11 he a��'�red �s � viable eption« Ra,tes--P��. �w�tson laas stated th�t he �ill. �.at rai�e prices+ f'c3r green +��n �erv3.�e. I�r. A�leson su��es�ed that it cr��ld be writt�� tha� if a hauler w3.�hes tr� par4vide g���r� �an ser�ice� �ie ca�nnot ch�.rge more �'c�r �reen �an �erei�e thraug� 19$5 t3�� for traditxon�l ser�r3,ce. Mr. M��r� ����es���. t�a.� �.f the ob�ective at tc► k�ep thi�.g� 3n 6alaz�ce, th�� th� ra��s c�uld b� egual. k�r. .�sle+�an paa,n�ed c�ut that if c:ur��3.de cn�x2d be �r��� �ar 1�ss�s, then �rc�u wcruld be ov�rch�r��.ag t�e public. Ms. Deter� felt that �reen aax� ��rq�ce shQU1.d be at least 1t}� 1o�►er„ i • ��$�.� ������� �������� ������ �ugust 5, 19$2 Pa,�e 3 With M�. Asleso��� pre�eeratat�.a�a eaded, cdmrnents werQ tak�� fram the Committes memberss Mrs. �chw�rt� �tated th�t she was an�ry and f�u.�tr�.ted a�t �c��der�.n� �u�t wha,t th� me�bers of th� �it3� Ccaunaa.l waz�t from th� ����.ttee� �h+� felt t�at 1'� ye�r� ha�e b�ae� �ra�t�d. What f,� t�� �urpc�ee flf �tud�r3.n� �l�e g�.rba�e s�.tuatim�n 3� �.t a� ncrt gc��.ng to be �nf�arced w�� h�r �oncern. She a�kec� 3.f the City �€�uu��.l. �ra�ts tc� euf'crrc� ��n ard�:nanc�. �Is. I3eter� agrsed that i.f there was �.at �Q�.n� to be enfc�r�em�nt c�f �he press�t ordinance� wh�r wrate a �.e�a o�e, l�r. �sl�s�n r�pl�.ed that the pre�er�t �rd,ir�a�.c� i� terr�.b3.�. I� the issue mf the gr�en can� h�c3 ac�t came v►p, he fe�:t th� C3.�t� Counc�.l wnuld have asked the Gom�i.ttee to amend andfor rewr�.te the present g�rbage cardiria�ee. Al�c�, he felt the Gi�y ju�t �c��ld nev�r a�`�'c�rd tc� gc� c►ut �ad have pol3.cems� tic�et ��rbage,� �� pc��»i�e wauld ga out wi.th �h�ir �ic1€�t boc�k,s;, �all� wou�.d +�t�rt pour3.ng in �a City C�u�tcsil m�mber� and na�ta�ally the�r wauld loc►k �ar a way arota,ad the prt�blem�. Ger�er�l].y, �r�crple acc�p� tr�ff�,ce e�foreemea�t, but wh�n ymu wc�uld start with t�ciceti�g garba�e rrial�t�.ea�s when a r�al �ever+� problem doe� not ��ast, this wil�. c�u�se tutdue pr4blems. Mr. 1���ay wander�d �.f th�re wa� a st��e�er�t in th� C�.ty'� plan a� ��b�itt�d tcr the �etra �cauz��il re���di�g ��e ph�lo�aphy c�� �pple Valle�r. Mr. �eLl.�y �s�rered th�t �,t �s ba,�ica2l�r �, bedroo� cammunit�r which o��+�rs within 3��s ba�adari�� employment, re�ai�. ���v�.�ess hv��ing�, �nc3 li�ht i�du�tr3.� oppc�rtunit�.esy as stated 3.z� the pla� of ,�ppl� Yalle�» Mr. Mc�.g wc�ndered if th�re were �nu ret'�re�ec� ,tQ aesthetics2 kie fe�e�.s that the �ommuni�y ��y be cha�ging; and i� t�.ere� �� a �tatement a� to the t�pe af comm�n�.ty we are �suppased tc� be, thes� w�a ma� '�e �r3.alati�g th� �e+���p� a�' a� a��sthet3,c�11�* p3.a�:sin� cc�m��it� i� e�arb�ide 3a gc�i�sg a��i.nst th3s cc���ep�. (�e �'e3t t�►is wa,s a concer� �r�Il pres�r�ted at the public hea��n� c�n refuse pickup.� Mr. Kell�y s�id th�.t .Apple Val1�y �s basical3.y a bedr+�c►m cammunity� bu� that �.� a.s fas� laeca��.ng �u urban cflmmu�ity. Re�arding er��c�rcement of refu�a bein� praperl c�nt�iner3�ed �nc� the �r��c��� ord�nar�ce �Ir. �,slesan �tated that a�ythir�g tha ae co�.1� �c� would b� a va�t x�p�ove�e�,t 4ver wha.t w� are do�.�g �dw. �ie de►e� not th3.r�k per�p�.� �c�uld s�tand for ha�ring th�ir ,��rbage tick��ed. I�s. ��hwar�z felt that 3.� w�e are �oin� to h�v� �.a�r� and drdiz�a.n�esy they shr���d be ���`Qreec�. Nir� �slesor� answered that many <srdiva�►ces �se en�crrced on a. cc�mp�a.in� �x�.�r ba�iss; fmr example, f�trewcrrks �►s�s�ses�ia�., ke�r� left i�. c�r�, �tc. 3�r. lts�.��cr� fe1,t �ha� the C�,�y Cr�uttc3.l +3id no� �ur�sue th� �arba�e i+���t�; the hau3.ers pur��ed th� i��,�« In ef�'�ct� w�at the City Cauuc�i2 rece3�ve�. wa� a prap+��aZ �rom the� haulers �1�a�t i� �he ].ortg run will be m�re eco�c�m��.cal; the�r �ra�°�ed �ca g�.ve the h�ul�r� �.n opportv�3��r to �ake a �.eak at w'��t th�y we�e of�'�rin�. Enfar�e�ent is a� d3.�'�'3.cu3.t �nd t€��ch�r i�ss�te. �r« �cKay� paa.nted out ar�athe� s3.da in term� Qf �nforcem���—�-he fee1.� �.rr orda.�.a�.ce i� as�sa��sa�� p�3,ma.r�3.y f�a e�treme �3.t�at§.on� where pe€�ple wi].1� �.�.v� 3.n. �: xa� �rhicsh ec�uld cause he�a2�h prr�ble�s for their �eighbc�rs�, '�*The q�e�t3.uu wa� ra�,�ed wdnder3�ag �f the City Cotx�acil h�s a.� Qp�ni�� as ta what t�e c�� cammunaty th��r arish l�pple V�lley �cs b�come� �z�d �he phi�,o�ophy a� t4 �:h� t�r�e vf commun#��y they �ti�h ta ha�ve in r�latioa �v cur'�sid� picl�up. �3.�ectio�. 3.� a�+�eded �rcrm �he City Cau�nciZ. � � IIRB�.�t AFFA��B C��i��T� �lINtS�E� Augus� �� 1�$2 Page 4 l�,s. �eter� g�ir►�ed out that l+�ar« Knut,aon �tat�+d the�r wc�uld nc�t pi.ck up ex�ess rubbi�h at the garage; �der the canc�p�� pre�ent�d fnr � ,��rbage ardir��r.nce, he x�+�ld ha�we no chcice. �c� b� ab�.� ta� a��er a�ny greea ca�a p3.ek up a� �11 in Apple V�l�.e�r, h� wou1+ have �o provid� traditional �ervice upon request. l�r.. �Ietry fe�lt that �h� 3���rtze nf eurbside Qer�us �c�s�«�curbside had �at beer� addres��d. The ��e caf p;reen cans has �2cud�d the �.ssc�e ��.g�aific�m�l�r. There �l� inh��ea�t cson— �ua��.c�� _of th� e�i�tia� �.aw .and whether 3t could be �a�pl3.ed w�th. Clearing ap tl�� I�agua�e o�' the c�rc��nance c+�uld probably ��ke care o� the c�ea�uscio�. �om�thir�� �hauld be done �l�r�ut the res�id�znts' 3.a�vr�lvme�t �.n �h� te�� �rea. ��a fe�.t � re�c��.�tion wauld be i� ard�r that tY�e di.�cu,�sion of gr�en cans cea�e and, that the ordin�nca� be rewritten ��d �hat the �o�nmittee ge� o� with c��her Gity bu�iz����. The C�.ty C�aunc�.l �hc�uld make the�.r �'�e�liag� known tc� �h� Ca�m�itt�e, Mr. ��les�on ��a�ded �h�t the City Cc�unc3.l pa��ed a� e�:�ccperi�cnta3 �ard3.na�nce e:rcgec�tia�� �n evalua.tian separt frc�m the �rban Af`�'�.irs CQmm�.�tte�e as tc� the re�ults of the e��r�:�nent ar�d Khether the Com�i�tee recammend+ed curb�ide p�.ck�p c�r nat. The C�.�y �o�c3.1 3.� laar�iag fax� in�r�t f"rc�m �he IIAC Cc�m�it��e� �at th� rev�rs�a. The resul�� c�f the ��r�ri.ment frc�m the p�bla.c h�ar3.ag a�d �he telephc�ne survey iudicats th�t th� gre�� c�as are wc�rkabl� a� the cu�rb �nd are aesthetical3.� pl�a,siag. He d3d ncat fe�l an�r�hir�� furt2�er wou�.d b� g�aiaed �r�r �.�k3,�� fmr adda.tiot�al directic�n. A�r. Me�ry f'�e].t �he e;�p�rim�nt cdn�clu�fon� are �v�r� �ix�d. A�s. �hwart� r�spt�nded ��at tho�e persn�s im, t�ta �xperi��nt�l s�c�t►� v�hc� had th�o- grees� canta�.n+�r� 1c�ved the�! �ad those who did not hav� th�m d�.d nc�t li.k� �h�m. Th� ax- per3m�ut, �she �`el�, �hnuld �ad; aad the Ci�y �mr��tc31 �hou�.d decid� whether ta gc� with curbside ��rvice �r nnn eurb�ide. �r. Metry daeas not �e� a�. �quitable-ba�.�ce �'or what hauler i� prdper�iu� and fut�r� savf.ng,� �a bcrmeawners. Mr. Asie�ox� �a�.d that there 3.s nrr way �he Cit� car� ar�it� a�� tt�� n�din���e 1f3tJ� r��e regu3.a€�imn; t�er�-wcruld hav� to '�e apprc�v��. of the �it�r whe�: r��e� cl�ange� � CPA wau�.d have tn rev�.e�r hauler�� f3�nancia�. ata�e�e�ats to ,�a�r w�aether th�q �rc�uld be tr��r p�t��3,�sg saviag� c� tt� �hei� cuetc��ers. �*s1�Q'��dN: b�r �r. Me�ry'i +���t�z�d�d by M�. I3�t;er� th�t th� tTrb� A�'i�.ir� �ca�m�it�ee pa�a+� on ta th� Ci.ty Ccaua�cil i�Pmrm�xtic�� t'�at tbe tes� re�u3.t�s h�.va praved ta be ��.xed ar�d inct�u�lu�3.ve; th�re�ore, i:h� �v�mit�ee �����mends �a chan�� a.n the pre�c�r�t ��r��id�. call�ct�.cn system; �.nd we r�E��er�d rewarking the pre�ent �r&i�aa��,c� to update �he la�gua�e with part3.�u1�.� attsntian ta the t�pe� of cc�r�ta��.er �1].Qw�c�. T�iscu�,s�.�rnw: �i�. As3.e,�n� que�stioned the inconc�us�.�re�n�s+� e� �he ex�e�i��r�t stati�g �h�t t��re r�a.as �o d+�ubt th� �eumber� a.z�diQate i��r�nclus�.v�s���s� bu� the ��periment wa� �et up i� goc�d fa3�h; th�s�e that part�.cip�ted �ve�e d€��,b�ero� tc► b�gir� w#.th but f�3»t quit� �trc�n�ely, a� �t�ted at �he publ�c, hear�.��, th�t �t� wa� � goc►d �yst�em and +�rne t�i�ey wish�d tc► Y�av� permanently. Telepheae �essages wer� re��ived a.t �ity FIs1.3. f�.vari�a� the use of gree�n �arstainez*s at curbs�,de. Tbose agai�cst 3.� were perhaps �aot cu�t�amer� wf eithera� three Mau3.�er� �fYer3.ng th� serva�e�. �her� is no w�y tb satis�f�r 1nC39b cf i:h� peapl.e 1QC?� of �he ta.m�. Mr. �le,�cn �sa3d that �rc�m h3� ger�ana�. �Qa.n� vf v3,�w� resu3.ts v�' the +��s�ri��at 3�nd�.cates� pa��itive public ra�r�ct3.o� �s� �it. � � i IIRB.�N AF�'ATR� C�MMITT�E ��.'E� Ru�ust �, '1�$2 Pa�e � l�s. �eter� feels telephon� c�ll�.n� w�s da�� ad�ri�3.n� �ustomers 3.� t�e� did na� �o t�a e��ing gree�. cr�ra��ar��rs, the r�.tee wc�ul.d �a �p. The peap3e op�flsed ts� i� �re c�pposec3 ta curbs�id� pickup ia� �pple Val.ley. Mr. Metry w<au3.d like ft�r th� Gity Cauacti3. tc� h��e cc�p�.e� ot' the t�st res�3te �mendment ta the '�ot�.c►n� Re�.ammend bg l�ir. �Ietry, secc�ad.ed by I�r. Mc���r tha.t the e�►er�.�er�ta�. curb�3.de d3.�trf�t be t��m�.n�te�d wit�in 6� d��a� as s�t ��artb �.a� �rd�.�nc�. VQ4t'�z; YE�� 5; �4 y �. �t�T�t��t: b�r Ms. �eter�, seconded by �I�. ��hwart� to a�d�o�;�nw The m�e��.�� ad�aurned at 9st�t� p.m.