HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/02/1980 ,
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CTT.Y� OF APPLE VALC'�Y
URBAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES
October 2 , 1980
PRESENT : Chairman Hank Myers , Committee Mem6ers Fred Metry ,
Larry Pressnal (AV Public Safety) , John McKay , Gloria
Deters , Shirley Doering and staff inember Rick Kelley
ABSENT : Carol Hein , Sharon Schwartz
The meeting was called to order by chairman Hank Myers at 7 : 35 PM .
Motion to accept the minutes of September 18, 198D meeting was
made by Deters , seconded by Metry. Minutes were approved .
Rick Kelley distributed to committee mem6ers a copy of the abridged
version of the noise pollution laws from the League of Cities .
He suggested that a staff inem6er from the League of Cities be
invited to a meeting to help with a discussion of the noise laws .
Copies of the Bloomington Noise Ordinance were distributed . Myers
suggested that after reading , he felt that these ordi'nances were
overly strict on the enforcing of thei'r laws .
Rick Kelley has tried to contact Bloomington for information con-
cering their noise ordinances . Information was received on motor
vehicles in that Bloomington periodically moni'tors noi'se levels on
roads . Their property line monitoring is done pri'marily on a com-
plaint basi:s .
Concern by Myers of Bloomington being overly strict was referred to
again concerning persons owning diesel trucks. Bloomington Sanitation
was ticketed for this type of equipment. Myers feels that this is
not effective for App1e Va11ey . Myers feels that diesel cars '
engines are the noise not the exhaust and this caused �loomington
to run into their problems .
Myers asked if the decibal count had been raised to accommodate
diesel engines . �
Kelley said that these levels are set by the state , and Bloomington
is going by these levels and is one of the few cities that does
enforce these regulations .
Kelley said the PCA has a staff of 2 people who basically come out to
the various cities and exp1ain how monitoring is done but seldom
directly become invo� ved wi`th monitoring .
Metry expressed his concern about the noie levels when 35E finally
becomes usedble .
Kelley then went over the Sound Levels by Receiving Land Use Scale
on page of the attached . Tf�ere was some concern expressed a6out the
time of noise ratio expressed in these ta6les .
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Kelley said as part of our zoning laws we adopt by reference the PCA
rules and regufiations , but we do not have the equipment to monitor
the actual leve�ls of noise . We are in the process of acquiring this
equipment .
Shirley Doering expressed much cancern over the gravel pit problem.
She said that the pit is operating in the early morning and late
afternoon hours during the summer 6ecause it gets to hot at any other
time to work .
Kelley said we cannot regulate the noise from pit operations differently
from PCA regulations . These regulati'ons state that daytime is from 7AM
to 10 PM. It was requested that these standards be made more strict
in Apple Valley, but Kelley said that these standards had been arrived
at after a long series of investigations as to what noise levels are
actually harmful or annoying based on objective tests .
McKay expressed his concern about truck noise in 35W at the underpass
for Cty. Rd. 42 . He said that during the summertime with a good
West wind you can hear the trucks all the way over to Pilot Kno6 Rd .
Kelley said that noise leve1s for trucks are 6ased on a sliding scale
for age of vehicle and measurements are based on both speed and
distance . Weather condi'ti:ons whic{i allow the noise to carry further
on underpa�ses whi`ch reverberate are behond the scope of current
enab� i'ng 1 egi'sl at��on . � �
Kelley suggested that the V�ORKING DRAFT has some good rules that are
workable for AU . He said that the WORKING DRAFT is basically a
compilation of Bloomington and St . Louis Park noise ordinances .
KeTley suggested that there have been some complaints concerning
road noise on Cty . Rd . 42 , basically vehic1e noise , trucks and
noise exhausts on cars .
McKay suggested that this may be a situation where a Public Hearing
might be in order to find out who made the complaints . Kelley said
that the committee could certainly take that route . Myers does
not agree on this idea .
Kelley stated that the League of Cities has suggested that AU not
adopt some other city ' s ideas about noise control , but to go thraugh
the individual problems of Apple Valley and adopt the laws that would
best fit the individual situations .
McKay still feels that a public meeting will help to identify the
various noise problems in Apple Valley. Some concern was expressed
that anyone would even show up .
Referring to the Bloomington Ordinances , McKay -felt that it was
very vague concerning certain problems . Dog barking was referred
to as 6 minutes out of an hour . This seems to 6e the 6iggest
single problem in any city according to the League of Cities . McKay
also felt that the ordinances were also complicated .
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Kelley referred to the Bloomington Ordinance . It is measured by
Property Line Levels . Tf�ere are three different districts which
are classified 6y use by the Federal Government . The ones concerned
with in AV are residential , commercial and industrial . The noise
on each is allowed to become progressively louder. Tt is based on
the receptor not the generator of the noi�e .
This property line rec.eptor does not apply to public roads . This
is only 6a�ed on vehicle noise iteself. When the equipment is
obtained for monitoring , we will monitor CR 42 , according to Kelley ,
but he is s:ure that the levels are over PCA reception standards
at least for the first row of fiouses on either side of CR 42 .
Vehicle noi`se endorcement is the only method available to try and
alleviate the noise . �
Excessive road noi:se is mostly caused by the 10% of the vehicles with
faulty or modifi:ed exhaust systems . Road surfacing is something to
be considered for a help in reducing tire noise , with asphalt
generally bei:ng quieter than concrete .
Metry suggested that we determine if we really have a problem on
CR 42 before we really do anythi:ng about it.
When the moni:tori:ng equipment is received , Kelley said it only takes
one hour to get an accurate reading . The Grave1 Pit will proba6ly
be chosen for some of the first readings .
Motion of Metry , seconded by INcKay; to not proceed farther wi'th a noise
ordinance draft until results are avai'lable from noise monitoring .
Motion passed unanimously.
Kelley said that the counci'1 has not requested a recommendation back
unti:l the spri:ng of 1981 . Tn the t�eantime , Ke11ey wi'll schedule
tfie perspn from the League of Ci'ti'es to co�e i n and tal k to the
committee .
SNOWMOBTLE PROBLEM
It was deci:ded that this problem of noise be tabled for the moment .
McKay made a suggesti'on that a consultant be asked to attend the
commi.ttee meeti:ngs to help us make up ordinances i'n a proper and
legal fashion .
GARBAGE SURVE`l
The gar�age s:urvey was sent out concerni`ng curb-side pickup . There
has been a 50/5Q response . Ri'ck Kelley has said that we wi11 see
changes i;n tfii's; pro6lem in tfie next two years concerning separation
af garb-ge to further treatment of waste and di'sposal of waste .
The mee�ti.`ng was adjourned at 8 : 20 wit{i a motion 6y McKay and a second
by Deters .