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CITY OF APPLE VALLEY
URBAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE MINUTES
AUGUST 7, 1980
PRESENT: Committee members Shirley Doering, Fred Metry, John McKay,
Gloria Deters, Staff inember Rick Kelley.
ABSENT: Hank Myers, Sharon Schwartz, Carol Hein.
Meeting was called to order by John McKay at 7:40 p.m.
Correction to July 17, 1980 minutes is as follows:
Item 2) "common property" to "private property".
MOTION: from G. Deters, seconded by F. Metry, to approve July 17, 1980 minutes
as amended. YES- 4, NO- 0.
J. McKay called for comments from persons attending the meeting for the purpose of
reviewing the gun control ordinance.
Sid Sanford, a representative of United Sportsman of Minnesota, pointed out several
areas in the Ordinance Regulating Firearms and Other Devices which he felt should be
brought to the attention of the Committee for the purpose of possible changes.
Zhey are as follows:
Sec. 4.4. 1 Transportation of Firearms and Bows and Arrows: Sixth line "in the trunk
of a car with the trunk door closed". . . is not the language used by State regulations.
It is termed, rear most portion, etc. "fhis inconsistency could cause a problem if
firearms are being transported by hunters driving through App1e Valley in a
pick-up truck.
Sec. 4.4.2 - transportation in a boat conflicts with State regulations.
Sec. 5.5. 1 Possession, Certain Minors: Inconsistent with age as provided for in
safety training.
Sec. 5-5•3 - State training act refers to age of 12, therefore ages of 14 and 16
of Apple Valley's ordinance is inconsistent.
Sec. 5•5.4 - As stated, seems to prohibit minors for safety training. It was suggested
an additional statement be included such as "except as for Sec. 5.5•2", etc.
F. Metry commented Sec. 5.5.4, was not meant to prohibit safety class handling of
ammunition, however, Sanford commented as tfiis Section now stands, two written
authorizations would be needed for a minor to enter safety training classes. Sanford
also pointed out Sec. 6.6. 1 (1-5) are covered by State and Federal laws and if it
is the intention to restate laws, they should be verbatim quotations. Also in-depth
language is important regarding silencers as this offense would be a federal offense.
Resident Erwin Ulrich would like to retain the right to use a firearm for control
of predators on his property. He suggested a clause be included which would distin-
guish between use of firearms for this purpose. Staffinember Kelley pointed out the use
of blank cartridges are allowed as noted in Sec. 2.2. 1 Definitions.
Walt Haussner, resident of Apple Valley, pointed out that unless a permit is applied
for, there is no provision for occasional use of air rifles, pellet guns, etc. , within
the confines of one's basement; allowing for proper target precautions. He feels the
permit process is cumbersome.
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McKay commented an advisory member of the Police Dept. said there would have
to be specific cause to check on or investigate this type of use--Specific
complaints regarding the use of firearms in this manner would have to be logged
before any action would be likely to be taken. It was suggested Haussner obtain
a permit for this purpose.
Metry asked for a differentiation between a homeowner's basement or garage when
using firearms in this manner. Haussner referred to an earlier discussion in
which it was stated that proper precaution and backstops are used whether in
a garage or basement, but that a basement would be better because of the concrete
and dirt protection.
McKay asked Kelley if he was aware of any language covering this situation in the
State law to which the latter answered "no". Naussner restated he would be in
violation of the City Ordinance if adopted as it now reads.
Sanford pointed out that Sec. 3•3•3 Discharge Prohibited, when restated in its
entirety, make provisions for this situation and recommended the current language
be stritced and the complete;Section, verbatim, be included in the Ordinance.
Ulrich intervened questi�oning if the language, as stated in the State regulations,
would allow him to shoot predators.
Apple Valley resident, L.j�rd�i.a Ardoyno feels there is a need to change the existing
firearm ordinance and asked when the deadline was or is for this ordinance. McKay
stated the ordinance was scheduled to pass four months ago and it was the Committee' s
intent to resolve the issue before the upcoming hunting season.
Ulrich asked what the Cities of Eagan, Empire and Burnsville were doing about the
new State laws, if anything. Kelley pointed out the last changes for Eagan and Empire
were in 1973 and 1970 for Burnsville, which outdates their present ordinances.
McKay thanked the persons in attendance for their comments and closed the discussion.
GARBAGE SURUEY DISCl1SSI0N
Deters summarized a survey presented to the Council by garbage haulers in which a 50%
response was obtained and 80i were in favor of curb pick/up. As this would involve
districting of the City, the Council would like to include a survey in the water bills
regarding this issue. A sample draft of the survey was presented to the Committee by
Deters for the purpose of revisions. The draft survey will be presented to the Council
for final approval and action.
Committee recommendations for the draft are as follows:
1) Eliminate item #1 or state that the City would be divided into districts and not
ask for a choice of this in the survey.
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Recommendations for changes to the sample draft continued:
2) Item 1 could state "No Change". Committee felt this should be listed first.
3) Careful consideration as to the wording and tone of the survey should be taken
so as not to mislead the real issues.
This draft will be brought before the Council for review at the August 14th meeting
and haulers comments and suggestions have also been requested.
MOTION: by Metry, seconded by Doering for adjournment at 8:35p.m,